All the ways you wish you could be, that's me. I look like you wanna look, I **** like you wanna ****, I am smart, capable, and most importantly, I am free in all the ways that you are not.
Yet I'm not the one blatently ignoring what Gun Kata is as stated on screen in equilibrium and I'm not the one lying about or ignoring the capabilities of bullet bending as shown on Wanted.
I've quoted Equilibrium to the letter and it backs my point and I've given examples from Wanted to back up my point where as you make a diagram showing a slight curved trajectory and try and pass this off as the limits of what bullet curving is. And then you both try to say that Gun Kata has nothing to do with the path the bullet takes despite the fact that the film states in plain English that this is precisely what Gun Kata is based on (along with the predictable distribution of the opponents)
So unless you're actually going to counter those points and show me how GK can take into consideration trajectories that it's never encountered then you'd be as well not posting.
And why...because GK teaches him what the trajectories of those bullets will be and he's able to keep his body out of the line of fire using GK techniques. Yet with bullet curving he wouldn't have a clue what the trajectories of those bullets would be so his GK technique is nullified.
You're hung up on the trajectories. Gun Kata is based on avoiding being where your opponent aims. By predicting where the bullet will arrive based on where they are located when they fire.
A curved bullet will arrive at precisely the same location as one fired in a straight line. The flight path of the bullet is irrelevant. All that matters is the Gun Kata user is able to avoid being where the bullet curver intends for the bullet to strike.
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The end point has nothing to do with it because it's about staying out of the bullet's way along it's entire flight path (trajectory) regardless of where you are in relation to the shooter.
His entire training is based on the premise that bullet trajectories are straight lines...
Look at it from the opposite premise...Imagine every single bullet curves and hits their opponent at a 90 degree angle...GK would use that data and produce body movements that would mean either stepping towards or away from the firing position (or over/under given some of the positions shown in the GK training). Now imagine the bullets suddenly can start travelling in a straight line from the shooter...Your previously learned moves are, for the most part, going to simply have you move back and forward along the bullet's trajectory meaning that it doesn't matter if you move 10 ft towards or away from the shooter you're still in the way of the bullet's flight path.
Same applies with this scenario. Although the bullet can potentially come from any angle.
I'm not saying every bullet is going to hit the intended target but your body positions will become generally useless for definitely keeping you out of harm's way. The statistics that GK is based on would be useless and you would be relying much more on simply being lucky that your body position was out of the bullet's flight path rather than anything to do with your skill or training.
Now if you want to say that the version of GK that Blade is using has been refined to take into consideration curved bullets then that's another matter...But then it also wouldn't be GK as shown in Equilibrium. It would also rely on knowing your opponents exact body movements prior to the shot being fired so as to take into consideration the forces applied to make the bullet curve and thus knowing to what extent it will curve.
Why thank you. BTW, I won't report you no matter what you say.
And I'll destroy the shit out of anything you type up, tomorrow. Guess why? I've already pwned anything you can think of. Jaden? Yeah, I'll just ignore his points because he's a broken record: something that Sadako and RJ should learn how to do with each other.
Quote it. Write i down. Take a picture. I don't give a ****.
Lulz, dude. Listen to what you are saying. The bullet ends up where the bullet curver wants it. The fact that they are not aiming directly at their opponent when they fire is besides the point. If Blade knows that Selene can aim to her right and curve a bullet that will hit him, all he has to do is Gun Kata as if she is aiming right at him. The only difference is that the bullet curves as it travels instead of traveling in a straight line.
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Ahahahaha dude, the bullet ends up where the bullet curver wants it. In the skull of their victim.
"K I'm gonna aim to my right, curve a bullet, and take dude out."
Doesn't matter if they are aiming right at their victim or off to the side. The bullet ends up in the same place. So......the Gun Kata simply uses Gun Kata to avoid being hit.
Unless the Gun Kata user is totally clueless that their opponent can curve bullets, that's another thing altogether. Then, yeah, I totally agree with you and Jaden.
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You're completely missing what was said in the film about Gunkata. Gunkata would allow Blade to avoid bullets by factoring in shooter position and known trajectories of gun-fire. Selene being able to do away with known trajectories due to her impossible-like abilities to make a fired bullet not travel in a straight line counters the very rules of Gunkata.
Unless Blade somehow knows the bullet(s) is going to curve left, right, up down, he risks the chance of moving right into the bullet's path instead of out of its way.
I already covered this. The start and end point of the curvers bullet remains the same. All that changes is the direction it takes getting there. The fact that the flight path of the bullet takes on an arc changes nothing.
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The point of gun kata isn't about getting out of the way where the bullet ends up...It's about staying out the bullet's way on it's entire flight path (trajectory) from the instant it leaves the gun until it hits a wall or whatever. If you cant use GK to predict the entire flight path of the bullet then you wont know where to move or which stance to take to stay out of that flight path. It's that simple.
But, because the gun isn't pointing at the place where the bullets going to end up, the dude doesn't know where the bullets going to end up. He has no idea where the bullets going to end up. Sure the bullet will end up in the same place as it would in a straight shot, but Blade doesn't know where that is because he can't predict anything about where the bullets going to end up or how its going to get there. Selene could aim at his head and then hit him in the leg. Blade will see that the gun is pointed at his head and move out of the way of that, only to still get hit in the leg because he didn't know he had to move his leg. Or Selene will point the gun upwards and Blade will have no idea where the bullets going to hit him from, so he gets a face full a bullet.
OK, one more time. Watch the vid below. FF to 3:12.
The clerics/cops see Preston standing at the end of the hallway. He is stationary. They raise their weapons and fire on him. Preston does his flippy spin move and avoids being hit.
His opponents were at point A. Preston was at point B. His opponents fired from point A, the bullets traveled to their desired location, point B, but Preston was no longer there. How? Why? Because Preston saw where they were, heard when they fired, and was able to predict where and when the bullets would arrive.
Thee you have it. Preston avoids being hit by staying out of the flight path of the bullet, AND avoiding being where his opponent intends for the bullet to strike home. He does BOTH.
BTW: Those machine gun rounds travel faster than 9mm bullets. Blade, with his vampire attributes AND Gun Kata on par with Preston, yeah, Selene's gonna fail with bullet curving. Her only chance is the adrenaline boost, and at this point I think even that won't be enough.
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Last edited by Rogue Jedi on Apr 3rd, 2011 at 01:13 PM
Post the vid where the Father explains the workings on Gunkata and you'll see it directly poops on what you're saying.
A curving bullet negates Blade's ability to predict bullet trajectory and he would risk moving into the bullet. Not saying it will happen for sure, but it's now a throw of the dice instead of the precise calculations of Gunkata.
Edit: Here, I found it:
Key words: "while keeping the defendant clear of the statistically traditional trajectories of return fire."
A curving bullet would not follow a 'statistical traditional trajectory' and it couldn't be mathematically calculated by a Gunkata user. ie The fool could lilkly as well move into the path instead of outside of it.
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BTW, I won't report you no matter what you say.
