Namor in water is slightly superior to Simon. But Namor out of water is definitely inferior to Simon. Heat dries water. Heat>>>cold air (which dries Namor). So Namor will get weakened by heat attacks as he has in the past, but he won't necessarily get koed by heat attacks.
WM is clearly stronger than Namor. It's not debatable really.
Namor surviving the encounter was him doing just fine? He was unable to launch any kind of offense during the entire fight. Seriously, not once in any panel was he the aggressor except for the initial start of the fight. If the Sentry meant to kill him, Namor would have been dead.
Getting tooled by Hercules was a Sentry not even trying to fight, but to reason with him. It was also somewhat of a comedic relief. The horrible writing was the Human Torch scarring the Sentry off because of his fire. Seriously? Its been a well known fact that Sentrys power source isn't solar based and we're to believe a character as powerful as the Sentry is afraid of fire when he's been through nukes and worse? Also, Namor using Simon as a baseball bat like that was over the top, but even if it did happen, where was Sentry during that time? Maybe he was watching Captain America kick the crap out of Iron Man. We all know that's possible.
Namor got beat by the Thing recently. Underwater for cripes sake. I cant see the Thing ever doing anything like that to Simon. They both have low feats, but all i'm saying is that I don't feel Namor is obviously superior to Simon and I feel Wondermans highs are as good or better then Namors.
So Wonderman's solo series (which was written like a watered down Two-In-One) fight with the Abomination is the heights at which we're aiming for? The Simon that keeps talking to himself during fights in fear of him dying again like a little kid? Simon is better then that. Plus the fact, half of Namors fight with Abomination was in the water. Its not a great example at all.
I will admit this though, Simon is a secondary character if nothing else and he is written to lose most of the time unfortunately. Most of his high end feats are losses, but still good examples. A couple things he's done that I don't feel Namor is capable of is throwing down with classic Nefaria. Yeah, Simon got whipped up, but he was able to hurt him and do well. Hyperion flew him through a planet and into a sun. I don't feel Namor could have survived that.
Here's a classic strength feat that I cant possibly see Namor repeating, but its a Marvel Two-In-One so take it with a grain of sand..
They both do well or hold their own against Thor, Hulk, Hercules, etc,,,and that's why I think its a close fight. I just give Simon the edge because I feel his high end stuff is better then Namors.
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I just want to mention that in the scan with Vision Jugs and Hulk, Vision has already materialized (we can see Jugs beeing hurt) so that's why he was affected.
Other than that affecting the likes of Nefaria and Jugs leads to the conclusion that he would affect Namor. Simon is resistant due to ionic form but that's just it.
Mjolnir affecting vision was addressed to its majical qualities if I'm not mistaken.
Not saying Vision wins for sure, but it's much closer than some people here think
True, one showing doesn't change much, I just assumed WM has been upgraded after his return. Maybe I'm wrong as I haven't read anything with him since that fight with Rulk.
That was Gargan who fought Namor. He's like every symbiote's retarded younger brother.
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I'm pretty sure Simon was historically supposed to be stronger than Namor by a noticeable margin. Aside from just the usual handbook entries which placed Simon well above Namor and Thing levels in strength, Marvel often made a point of having narration and characters comparing Wonder Man's strength with Thor's, making Simon out to be comparable to or just short of Thor. In fact in their first encounter Namor compared Simon's strength to Thor's.
And in that first encounter Simon really did take it to Namor and eventually knocked him clean out with a punch. Not many guys can do that to a Namor just out of water.
Sure, Simon was for many years portrayed as a pacifist, lacking confidence and holding back, and that's what got him into trouble in many fights. And he had low showings, same as Namor has (like Namor being beaten and, frankly, humiliated by the Thing underwater). For that reason I'd give the more vicious Namor a decent chance in a fight. But a confident Simon can win it.
As for Vision, Namor's showings against heat have been pretty variable too. That, plus strength and intangibility/density control is a pretty good combo for the Vision against the likes of Namor, and I'd take Vision there.
Vision has taken Ms/Captain Marvel out at least once, but that was a long time ago.
Vision and Wondy have had some decent throwdowns also.
Overall I'd take an average Wonderman or Vision to win, but the four are close.
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zop, i'd point out your lowballing vs highballing, but it seems pointless. meh, i'll do it anyway--namor can survive heat of 3 human torches, simon gets punked by black widow. throw in the dismissal of rulk and your whole argument is simultaneously hilarious, against forum rules and transparent. triple crown ftw.
How did Black Widow beat Simon. What were the circumstances.
But you know that Simon is supposed to be significantly stronger than Namor right?
Namor is about Thing level (maybe slightly above) and Simon is supposed to be Thor level. Hulk is stronger than most on average so feats against him don't hold much evidence (since Hulk's strength is greatly variable).
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