The sheer fact that people argue so strongly for both DD and Punisher suggests to me that they were pretty equal, so much so that multiple people viewing the same fights had differing opinions.
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Yeah, they are slightly different beasts, but both highly effective, and seemingly virtually an equal match for each other. Frank is more like a brutal, military Krav Maga guy, where as Matt is more like an acrobatic ninja.
Yeah, one of the big things I love about this show is that they really put an effort into creating some spectacular fight scenes. In fact, one of my favourite ones was when Matt fought those bikers, with the chain and gun stuck to his hands, just because of how they shot it, with the camera following him as he takes out one after the other. I also loved the Punisher/gang prison fight, just because of the straight-up brutality.
Also, Elektra was the worst thing of season 2 IMO. My first reaction when she was stabbed in the final episode was, "Good, I hope she stays dead for at least one season. Give us Bullseye and more Fisk instead."
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Don't get me wrong, Punisher did well. But it was pretty clear at the end, When DD knew what to expect from Frank he made the fight look pretty sad. At the end, Daredevil was clearly above Frank in H2H.
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Well, given everything that has been said (taking both the more extreme and neutral opinions together), I think a fair conclusion to make is that depowered Thor, Frank and Matt appear to be pretty equal overall, and that any match between 2 of the 3 of them would be tough to call.
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Um, they were Coulsen's top trained agents. Do you know what Navy SEALS are?
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It was not a feint. Punisher pushed him off after they were already done fighting, and lost before the thugs showed up which was why he pushed him off (because the ship was going to blow). He was in no way trying to trick him. He just beat him down.
Like you said, Matts hits didn't do much. All it did was get Punishers attention and then they fought on equal terms, after which Matt beat him down.
Twenty thugs he could have taken out much easier if he had his normal armored fists and batons. This IS a gimp to his fighting style.
Honestly, it looks like you are trying you best to swing it in Castle favor despite him never actually having flat out won a fight (unlike DD). Everyone else agrees, they are almost on equal terms with DD edging out a bit. Punisher is definitely not the greater of the two.
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Your point? Punisher never took on ninja assasins. Also, the breadth and knowledge of the Armed Forces Elite trained units vastly outmatches that of Ninjas. You're obviously not really clear on the kind of training they have to go through.
Anyway, point is, all we have to go on is Thor easily taking down Shield's most highly trained agents whilst being unarmed. Punisher never takes down highly skilled combatants at ANY point during DD season 2 while he's unarmed. Every time Punisher won a fight he used a weapon of some kind. Same applies here.
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I mentioned this previously, but the easiest way to do this is simply swap Thor's and Punisher's places. Imagine Thor being in the prison taking out those prisoners. Does he take them out more easily than Frank did?
Imagine Frank trying to infiltrate the SHIELD base. Does he take out the SHIELD agents as easily (or more) as Thor does?
Also dont know if its been mentioned but after Thor beat down "Some of Coulsons best" . Coulson even interrogated Thor trying to find out where he got his training from. Meaning He was impressed and knew that he was highly trained in combat.
Taking out Daredevil in h2h alone shits on anything Thor did. Beating random shield agents one after one isn't as impressive as you're making out to be.
Ward beat like a dozen shield agents alone. At once.
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