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Mr Master
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Originally posted by abhilegend

And Starlin retconned that there is a separate LT in every reality.

Well of course you'll ride that, it hugs your nuts well.

Yes, Starlin did a what? 2? 3 book mini? Standalone, which NO other Marvel title recognized then, or has since.

Hickman, on the other hand, his arc spanned dozens of issues, and ALL Marvel titles.

Their works were published practically simultaneously.

Yet, Hickman's the underdog in your view.

How can you not always end with this result:

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So if something is not stated in a Starlin book, that means that iti is retconned? Stop trolling dude.

Since LT last appeared in Starlin's work, yeah it is a retcon.

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Well of course you'll ride that, it hugs your nuts well.

Yes, Starlin did a what? 2? 3 book mini? Standalone, which NO other Marvel title recognized then, or has since.

Hickman, on the other hand, his arc spanned dozens of issues, and ALL Marvel titles.

Their works were published practically simultaneously.

Yet, Hickman's the underdog in your view.

How can you not always end with this result:

Starlin's Infinity Finale came out after Secret Wars and acknowledged Beyonders killing LT.

More recent work is canon for retcons.

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Starlin's Infinity Finale came out after Secret Wars and acknowledged Beyonders killing LT.

More recent work is canon for retcons.

Continuity inconsistencies and contradictions don't automatically make for retcons.

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abhilegend
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That wasn't a continuity glitch.

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It DOES go with the whole 'we take the most recent portrayals ' though...

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LT stomps.

Maybe they seems to have similar titles but LT is light years beyond Spectre in power.

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LT stomps.

Maybe they seems to have similar titles but LT is light years beyond Spectre in power.

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It DOES go with the whole 'we take the most recent portrayals ' though...

That would basically mean that everything Superman does in DOTNG is undone in Final Crisis.

And do we actually take the most recent portrayals? I see people pulling up scans from 30 year old comics to prove points all of the time.

But retcons are generally insertions into continuity that cause reinterpretations of events. Starlin's book doesn't do this. It's just his POV of LT conflicting with Hickman's and practically everyone else's.

Sep 13th, 2016 09:18 PM

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30, 40 year old scans are all fine, as long as they don't contradict more recent portrayals (unless you're carver, lol).

So for example, if Batman more recently is shown to hate guns, I can't use his original guise where he shoots everything on sight.

Or, if Beast looks like a cat, I can't use his human form feats.

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30, 40 year old scans are all fine, as long as they don't contradict more recent portrayals (unless you're carver, lol).

So for example, if Batman more recently is shown to hate guns, I can't use his original guise where he shoots everything on sight.

Or, if Beast looks like a cat, I can't use his human form feats.

So the space ants defeating Asgard should never be mentioned?

Sep 14th, 2016 01:09 AM

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LT stomps.

Maybe they seems to have similar titles but LT is light years beyond Spectre in power.

You could also play the part where, LT does not have a Soul for Spectre to judge. So he can just as easily whisk him away like how Nekron did.

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You could also play the part where, LT does not have a Soul for Spectre to judge. So he can just as easily whisk him away like how Nekron did.

That was Spectre acting like an idiot. That fool had the power to stop GEB and PEAK COIE AM if he wanted to.

If that Spectre shows up to fight, the LT is dead.

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Fighting and judging are two different things. A character doesn't need to have a soul just for Spectre to fight them.

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"Id"
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So why couldn't he fight Nekron?

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So why couldn't he fight Nekron?

The same reason why he didn't beat Peak COIE AM and GEB even though he could. He's a clown. He has the power so that's not the issue.

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So the space ants defeating Asgard should never be mentioned?

Have the space ants been shown to be weaker? Or have the writers written that it was all a fevered space dream after Odin ate too many burritos?

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So why couldn't he fight Nekron?

He didn't try to fight him -- he only tried to judge him. Again, fighting and judging are two different things.... And that was also Crispus, who is far and away the shittiest version of the character(especially under Johns.)

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Mr Master
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If that Spectre shows up to fight, the LT is dead.

I'm guessing that's if the LT who showed up against Warlock is incognito? smile

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"Id"
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Originally posted by zopzop
The same reason why he didn't beat Peak COIE AM and GEB even though he could. He's a clown. He has the power so that's not the issue.

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Originally posted by Galan007
He didn't try to fight him -- he only tried to judge him. Again, fighting and judging are two different things.... And that was also Crispus, who is far and away the shittiest version of the character(especially under Johns.)

Im playing devils advocate. But no I disagree. His ability to fight someone is tied in by who he judges.

Regardless of his power level atm, he actually fought GEB & AM.

Anyhow the real answer is plot device. In "Darkest Night" It was necessary to keep the plot moving forward, since the goal of story was for the Lanterns to overcome adversity not the Spectre.

After all Win or Lose Spectre has raised his fist against against those who are universal constants lacking a soul.

The problem here is when do we stop relaying on PIS. Ahbi and some members want to relay on Starlins portrayal of the LT that is one for every universe, which is fit to bring closure to his story...his plot. In reality LT has been established to be Multiversal consistently for the past what 20 30 years?

One interpretation of one writer is not going to undo 30 years of work, in fact we would have to wait to see if Starlins plot actually sticks. And if this is Multiversal Spectre, or Spectre at his best. Then the same would apply to the LT, or else the topic would be deem stomp, due to unfair match making.

I could also look at it in this way.

Multiversal LT beats Multiversal Spectre.
Universal LT beats Universal Spectre.

As either one simply walks with more power and authority than the other.

/rant end

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