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quanchi112
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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Yes they die. And the mace wouldnt kill The Night king. Only Valyrian steel and Obsidian can. Period.

Only those weapons that we know of in Westeros which doesn't apply to Middle Earth. Those variables don't exist in the same universe so you reached a flawed conclusion. When enchanted weapons hit the Night King he dies.

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Originally posted by Impediment
It's been a while since I've watched the LOTR films, but didn't Sauron die from just a slash to the fingers from Narsil wielded by Isildur?

Yes, due to the separation of the ring. Sauron left himself in a vulnerable position reaching forward against the downed man with the broken sword.

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Yes, due to the separation of the ring. Sauron left himself in a vulnerable position reaching forward against the downed man with the broken sword.

In other words, Sauron was defeated by the plot :P

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In other words, Sauron was defeated by the plot :P

That is usually the case. One thing is for sure the Night King hasn't met anyone like Sauron before.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
That is usually the case. One thing is for sure the Night King hasn't met anyone like Sauron before.

Well that's the thing, Sauron is an out of context situation in ASOIAF/GOT. We can't just assume that the Walker's power overwhelm's Sauron's, that makes no sense.

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Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Well that's the thing, Sauron is an out of context situation in ASOIAF/GOT. We can't just assume that the Walker's power overwhelm's Sauron's, that makes no sense.

I agree and the same goes for Sauron. I think it's unfair to think neither guy can hurt the other.

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
Ohh i see! Sorry.

Well either way. Remember that the White Walkers can only be killed with Valyrian steel or Dragon glass...If Sauron doesnt know this then he has no way to win.

Fire. You forgot fire.

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Originally posted by Nibedicus
Fire. You forgot fire.

He has claimed fire can't hurt them.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
I agree and the same goes for Sauron. I think it's unfair to think neither guy can hurt the other.

Well, in technicality, I find the average Walker to be poor in combat without his ice powers working. I refer to the very first Walker Jon killed in Hardhome. The Walker was a beast when it killed the Then, and was ragdolling Jon, to be sure.

But, when it's power to shatter weapons failed on Longclaw, the Walker's weak combat skill was revealed, as Jon shattered the Walker in less than 2 moves after he first blocked the ice sword.

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Again, when Jon and the Magnificent Seven confront the lone Walker and his small group of Wights during the Wight Hunt, Jon outfights the Walker rather handidly.

This tells me that the Walkers rely rather heavily on their powers working effectively. I cannot say if it's the same for the Night King himself though, because the King has not been in personal combat, but... assuming that Viserion killing Javelin Throw wasn't magically enhanced, that gives him a Giant's level of super strength at least, and that would put him well within Sauron's strength range.

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Sep 8th, 2017 02:53 AM

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It does seem the basic white walkers rely on their powers but like any race we judge them based off the merits of each character's showings. That being said that javelin throw was rather impressive and we will know all we need to know about the Night King when the final season finally airs. Whether it was magically enhanced or just super strength we all agree that toss would hurt. Extremely impressive.

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It does seem the basic white walkers rely on their powers but like any race we judge them based off the merits of each character's showings. That being said that javelin throw was rather impressive and we will know all we need to know about the Night King when the final season finally airs. Whether it was magically enhanced or just super strength we all agree that toss would hurt. Extremely impressive.

That Javelin Toss was devastating. Would have been more devastating if he aimed it at Drogon, but eh, thats just me being picky :P

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Josh, do you concede ?

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Josh, do you concede ?

On what?

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On what?

To Sauron winning.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
To Sauron winning.

I could agree on that!

But not by his mace. He will have to find another way to do so. Cause that mace WILL Shatter.

It is general info Ice Swords>>>any other material except Valyirian and Dragon Glass!

So Sauron will have to rely on spells or other stuff.

Sep 8th, 2017 03:43 PM

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I could agree on that!

But not by his mace. He will have to find another way to do so. Cause that mace WILL Shatter.

It is general info Ice Swords>>>any other material except Valyirian and Dragon Glass!

So Sauron will have to rely on spells or other stuff.

You don't have any evidence to prove magical weapons shatter against the Night King. Otherwise it's a baseless claim. He doesn't use regular weapons.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
You don't have any evidence to prove magical weapons shatter against the Night King. Otherwise it's a baseless claim. He doesn't use regular weapons.

I have evidence that any material except Dragon glass and Valyrian steel WILL SHATTER.

I also have EVIDENCE that the WW can only be killed by DRAGON GLASS and VALYRIAN STEEL.

You have NO EVIDENCE to show that Sauron Mace is made of any of these materials.

You have NO EVIDENCE that Sauron will know this and be able yo make this materials.

PERIOD!!!

Why do we keep arguing the samething. YOU HAVR NO EVIDENCE TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS.

Sep 8th, 2017 03:52 PM

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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
I have evidence that any material except Dragon glass and Valyrian steel WILL SHATTER.[B]

Only material in GoT not including the magical weapons in Lotr so irrelevant.

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I also have EVIDENCE that the WW can only be killed by DRAGON GLASS and VALYRIAN STEEL.

You have NO EVIDENCE to show that Sauron Mace is made of any of these materials.

You have NO EVIDENCE that Sauron will know this and be able yo make this materials.

PERIOD!!!

Why do we keep arguing the samething. YOU HAVR NO EVIDENCE TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIMS.

Same reasoning destroys that plot device which doesn't take anither world into consideration just its own.

It doesn't have to be. What magical weapon shattered against a white Walker ? Regular weapons that don't compare to Sauron's mace feat.

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Only material in GoT not including the magical weapons in Lotr so irrelevant.
Same reasoning destroys that plot device which doesn't take anither world into consideration just its own.

It doesn't have to be. What magical weapon shattered against a white Walker ? Regular weapons that don't compare to Sauron's mace feat.

You keep avoiding the evidence!

If a character is said to br immortal it doesnt mean it wont be agains a character of another universe just to make it fair.

You are being irrational.

MY POINTS ARE CLEAR. YOURS ARENT

Sep 8th, 2017 03:58 PM

quanchi112
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Originally posted by Josh_Alexander
You keep avoiding the evidence!

If a character is said to br immortal it doesnt mean it wont be agains a character of another universe just to make it fair.

You are being irrational.

MY POINTS ARE CLEAR. YOURS ARENT

You don't have any magical weapons failing to hurt him and Sauron's feat is more impressive than anything Valyrian steel has shown.

Your points are baseless and only apply to weapons from Westeros not middle earth.

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