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WW vs. Thor: pure h2h cage match
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His mom grounded him.

f*uck his mom..... wait, what did he do this time. troll his grandpa?

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I used to buy karate books when I was a kid. That shit did not work in combat. Like I said, if you grasped mostly to the sides and not so much the blade then you can possibly catch a sword. Why didn't you address my other post agreeing with you? You just want to argue?

But it's impossible for you to convince me that a human's hands can become cut proof.


Ah, so many things wrong in this post.

1. If you used to buy karate books but never bothered to learn it properly, don't be surprised if that "shit" did not work in combat.

2. There's a big difference between your "karate books" that you bought as a kid (which we don't even know how legit they were) and actual fighting manuals that were written by weapon-masters who's job was to train knights in combat.

3. You agreed with me and then went ahead and said something completely stupid again. It's almost like you can't simply agree that you were wrong, you can't help but be contradictory.

4. Human hands are not cut proof. But you fail to consider there's a proper technique to grab a blade without cutting yourself (which is why the average joe can't simply do it) and doing it properly definitely isn't easy. Plus there are mechanics of how a blade cuts. Hint: A blade needs to be in motion to cut. If it isn't, it can't cut. Swords aren't light sabers that cut you just because you touch them.

5. You obviously don't know much about this topic. Please just trust the word of those who know more about it than you. Some of us actually studied this stuff.


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In all fairness to H1 hes not the only one who never admits they are wrong thats 99.9% of this forum.


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^^^true.
Mostly its just ppl talking over each other & reiterating their opinions, often in more & more antagonistic ways.


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In all fairness to H1 hes not the only one who never admits they are wrong thats 99.9% of this forum.


There's a difference between simply arguing your opinion is more valid than someone else's opinion (most posters here) and completely contradicting concrete proof already presented before you (h1).


Most posters here would say something like:
"Dogs are better than cats. I can't believe you prefer cats".


Whereas this is what H1 will say:
"I hate cats because cats bark a lot louder than dogs."


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H1 is an MMA certified fighter and a Nobel prize level scientific mathematician, among the long list of other accolades. We are all lucky to be blessed with his presence.


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H1 is an MMA certified fighter and a Nobel prize level scientific mathematician, among the long list of other accolades. We are all lucky to be blessed with his presence.


Lifeformses bro, lifeformses.

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H1 is an MMA certified fighter and a Nobel prize level scientific mathematician, among the long list of other accolades. We are all lucky to be blessed with his presence.


Thank you. Finally some appreciation around here.


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Ah, so many things wrong in this post.

1. If you used to buy karate books but never bothered to learn it properly, don't be surprised if that "shit" did not work in combat.

2. There's a big difference between your "karate books" that you bought as a kid (which we don't even know how legit they were) and actual fighting manuals that were written by weapon-masters who's job was to train knights in combat.

3. You agreed with me and then went ahead and said something completely stupid again. It's almost like you can't simply agree that you were wrong, you can't help but be contradictory.

4. Human hands are not cut proof. But you fail to consider there's a proper technique to grab a blade without cutting yourself (which is why the average joe can't simply do it) and doing it properly definitely isn't easy. Plus there are mechanics of how a blade cuts. Hint: A blade needs to be in motion to cut. If it isn't, it can't cut. Swords aren't light sabers that cut you just because you touch them.

5. You obviously don't know much about this topic. Please just trust the word of those who know more about it than you. Some of us actually studied this stuff.


Yet you don't understand that you MUST latch on more to the sides than the blade. That's the technique. No one ever disagreed with that logic. I always disagreed with the notion that you can stop the sword by the blade without being cut.
Doesn't matter who wrote what. Karate books were written by actual people who trained. The problem is science governs all. Not magic, not tricks, etc.
Pressure = force /area
That means not too much force the blade can be applied to the human hand in order for it to not get cut. We can reduce the force by grabbing more to the sides of the sword.


And you are an idiot thinking that most martial arts schools today aren't culty. How in the hell is that stupid what I said? Manuals don't prove shit, science does. And with science you must have experimentation. That means you must show a human grabbing a blade with their hand while someone is trying to stab them full thrust.


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Originally posted by FrothByte
There's a difference between simply arguing your opinion is more valid than someone else's opinion (most posters here) and completely contradicting concrete proof already presented before you (h1).


Most posters here would say something like:
"Dogs are better than cats. I can't believe you prefer cats".


Whereas this is what H1 will say:
"I hate cats because cats bark a lot louder than dogs."

Okay first of all, LOL at:
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Whereas this is what H1 will say:
"I hate cats because cats bark a lot louder than dogs."

Second, those are the ppl i referred to, as they just keep postingpostingpisting, causing everyone else to leave what might be a good debate.
I’m not innocent of doing it, but mostly if no one’s listening to me after a few posts i’m like ‘oh well’. Its really not THAT big a deal if someone thinks one character beats another and i dont.


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Those energy attacks were slow. Look at the speed Thor bats them away.
We see the beam's speed and its not very fast.
Plus Destroyer telegraphed every time he fired.

In other words, bullets are far faster than those beams.


I called it, h1 just proved himself a hypocrite by ignoring writer's intention. Remember, this is the guy that has stated multiple times that a writer's intention trumps what is seen on-screen.


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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I already knew that. He actually said, "fragile sort of life forms." But he put emphasis on the "s" at the end of forms.

The reason I chose "lifeformses" is because when I was 4 years old and first saw Superman 2 this it what it sounded like (his English accent). For several years I adopted the saying when I played with friends.
So the quote is more about nostalgic reasons.


We might disagree on quite a bit H1, but since it's been brought up, I respect that nostalgia factor my man.

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Originally posted by h1a8
Thank you. Finally some appreciation around here.




Yet you don't understand that you MUST latch on more to the sides than the blade. That's the technique. No one ever disagreed with that logic. I always disagreed with the notion that you can stop the sword by the blade without being cut.
Doesn't matter who wrote what. Karate books were written by actual people who trained. The problem is science governs all. Not magic, not tricks, etc.
Pressure = force /area
That means not too much force the blade can be applied to the human hand in order for it to not get cut. We can reduce the force by grabbing more to the sides of the sword.


And you are an idiot thinking that most martial arts schools today aren't culty. How in the hell is that stupid what I said? Manuals don't prove shit, science does. And with science you must have experimentation. That means you must show a human grabbing a blade with their hand while someone is trying to stab them full thrust.


Dude, I know that you need to keep pressure on the flat of the blade. I'm the one who actually posted the video that explained that. That's what the technique is about. But that doesn't mean that you can't touch the edge of the blade, as long as majority of the pressure is on the flat. I also never said that you can stop a blade mid swing with your hand, what I'm describing here is grabbing the blade to stop it from moving again.

As for your karate books, who were the authors of these books? Were these authors fighters who've survived duels to the death?

Besides, how would you know what works and what doesn't in a real fight, as you yourself admitted that you simply bought books (instead of, you know, actually learning and applying the techniques).


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Dude, I know that you need to keep pressure on the flat of the blade. I'm the one who actually posted the video that explained that. That's what the technique is about. But that doesn't mean that you can't touch the edge of the blade, as long as majority of the pressure is on the flat. I also never said that you can stop a blade mid swing with your hand, what I'm describing here is grabbing the blade to stop it from moving again.

As for your karate books, who were the authors of these books? Were these authors fighters who've survived duels to the death?

Besides, how would you know what works and what doesn't in a real fight, as you yourself admitted that you simply bought books (instead of, you know, actually learning and applying the techniques).


Besides, it doesn't matter if the techniques are 100% effective in real life. that is what suspension of disbelief is all about.

This is just another example of h1 trying to pull the "that's not how things work in real life" argument in order to help a DC character.


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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Besides, it doesn't matter if the techniques are 100% effective in real life. that is what suspension of disbelief is all about.

This is just another example of h1 trying to pull the "that's not how things work in real life" argument in order to help a DC character.


Frost is suggesting we use Real life evidence (written manual) to support his argument. But it was never a debate anyway as we both agree that you must supply majority of the pressure to the sides of the blade.

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The mechanism that was built around the neutron star was there to contain all the neutron star's forces, gravitational pull and all that.
It's all dwarf space magic but that was the idea behind that whole structure. The dwarves had to work that close to the neutron star to make weapons, so the structure was there for them not to die and for them to use and harness whatever they needed from the neutron star.
But when the iris was opened , all the forces from the star came through that opening and hit Thor. Gravitational pull, radiation, gravity, heat, x-rays, etc, etc.
That is what is supposed to be happening in that scene. Thor taking the full force of the neutron star. Eitri even says this in a line of dialogue before it happened. He tells Thor that he is about to take the full force of the star.
There should be no guessing or assuming on that scene if the movies/writters tell you what is happening. Then the special effects team and directors portrayed that scenario as best they could even if there might be slight discrepancies.


You are making stuff up. Nowhere in the movie does it explains that.

Also Net Force = sum of all the forces =mass x acceleration
So the net force on Thor can be determined by the product of his mass times acceleration.

The product is very low. Therefore the net force on Thor was low.


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This entire thread should be titled, “H1 Gets Gangbanged”.

His logic is petty comedy.


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Well we are arguing for no reason then.
Bruce Lee was one of the authors. It was his first book.
Other authors were 5th degree black belts and above.

Real fights happen fast. Time does not slow down or stop in order for you to think what to do. Teachers often demonstrate shit as if time is standing still. Yet when the teacher gets in a real fight then that shit goes out the window.



I'm going to let you in on a secret that only a very few people know, Wonder Woman's reactions are very fast. more than fast enough to catch a blade properly.

Now don't go spreading this super secret information around, only people that have seen the movies are supposed to know about it.


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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I'm going to let you in on a secret that only a very few people know, Wonder Woman's reactions are very fast. more than fast enough to catch a blade properly.

Now don't go spreading this super secret information around, only people that have seen the movies are supposed to know about it.


The debate was about whether WW is bulletproof. Had nothing to do with reflexes.


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This entire thread should be titled, “H1 Gets Gangbanged”.

His logic is petty comedy.


Of course an idiot like you would not understand simple logic and think it's comedy. Actually attack the argument and not the person (ad hominim). Otherwise you are just proving to be a low intelligent creature (slightly above the other animals).


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The debate was about whether WW is bulletproof. Had nothing to do with reflexes.


Wow, you really aren't very smart are you?


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I don't know why some of you are going on about being right and winning. Rob and Impediment were in on this gag because I PMed them. Silent and Rao PMed me and figured I changed the post. I highly doubt anybody thought Quan made the post, but simply played along just for the lulz.

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Wow, you really aren't very smart are you?


I'm very smart. It seems that you are the dumb one.


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