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Astner
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It's not a clear feat to begin with because we have no idea how powerful the explosion was or how much he had to endure before he was hurled into the time-stream.

But I don't see any point in even arguing this since Smurph outlined a very specific version of Doomsday who is clearly nowhere near Thor's level. Sure, he can change the conditions of the fight to make it a bit more fair. But let's not pretend that Superman's and Doomsday's city-level brawl is comparable to Thor's and Odin's interplanetary fight.

Sep 30th, 2023 03:03 PM

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But why is collateral damage being used as a guide to power levels?

City level is still waayyyyyy past what the Beyonder did when he unleashed power that could destroy multiple dimensions....which only singed an apartment, iirc.

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But why is collateral damage being used as a guide to power levels?

Because those are the only notable feats in Death of Superman.

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City level is still waayyyyyy past what the Beyonder did when he unleashed power that could destroy multiple dimensions....which only singed an apartment, iirc.

I'm assuming you're referring to this scene?

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Secret Wars II #8

First and foremost, it was Molecule Man. Secondly we know how powerful the blast was because of the Beyonder's description. Thirdly, Molecule Man is a reality warper.

Sep 30th, 2023 03:24 PM

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Glad people are finally realizing both Superman and Doomsday looked weak AF in DOS. The things that koed Superman in that book would be laughed at by current Superman, Silver Surfer and Hulk type characters.

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Did you read the comics? The Asgardians were written very weak (human level).

I'm just pointing out the double standards when posters cry about DOS DD low showings while ignoring his high showings (which contradict them) but ignoring Thor and the Asgardian low showings while putting Mangog on a pedestal.

What's DOS high showings? Did Mangog struggle to ko the weak asgardians?

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Sep 30th, 2023 03:31 PM

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Because those are the only notable feats in Death of Superman.

I'm assuming you're referring to this scene?

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Secret Wars II #8

First and foremost, it was Molecule Man. Secondly we know how powerful the blast was because of the Beyonder's description. Thirdly, Molecule Man is a reality warper.

So iyo, collateral damage is proof of power level?

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So iyo, collateral damage is proof of power level?

Does this matter?

https://ibb.co/T29TmN8
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Remember, you used this as proof of cosmic Thor durability.

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Sep 30th, 2023 05:51 PM

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Honestly, no. A bullrush type attack is more likely than a Flash type blitz.

Sep 30th, 2023 05:59 PM

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Did you read the comics? The Asgardians were written very weak (human level).

But that's nothing new. Average Asgardians were compared to low tier metahumans many times before.

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There was never a good time for DC, that's why they are such an inferior company.

the 90s were probably the only era marvel can catch up to dc power wise

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You don't need a lot of power or skill to take out retarded flying bricks, in all honesty.

Even someone like Prowler would sodomize half of the JLA or JSA.

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What are you talking about? This has nothing to do with the Death of Superman arc.

I wasn't aware Superman has had no appearances before or after DOS
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Moreover, Superman is not even taking a hit, or whatever you're trying to pass this scene off as.

The scene you posted is from Action Comics #664, and it's a direct continuation from Adventures of Superman #477 where Superman is flung back in time after the Sun-Eater explodes.

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Even if you want to argue that this is some kind of durability feat,

Well, it is a durability feat. The arc specified that Superman was only getting tossed through time by extreme forces and he had to endure everything.

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it's not part of the Death of Superman arc. Furthermore, it doesn't change the fact that Superman's fight against Doomsday was on a level so far beneath Thor's battle with Odin that Doomsday couldn't even be considered a threat to Thor.

So basically none of Superman's feats matter before DOS?

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I wasn't aware Superman has had no appearances before or after DOS

That's his only good story, so the only one that matters.

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That's his only good story, so the only one that matters.

Wolverine shouldn't have appeared after confederacy of dunces. His only good story.

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Bro, Superman cares only about Murica. Don't ever think of him as of your ally.

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Bro, Superman cares only about Murica. Don't ever think of him as of your ally.

Anyway, since we are talking about collateral damage, here you go.

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Mind you, even Valor who Superman beat black and blue oneshotted Unimaginable who literally causes suns to go supernova and drains them to gain his power.

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Unimaginable caused a sun to go supernova and drained its energy just two issues ago.

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Confirmed in its profile entry.

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And Superman beat Lar black and blue.

https://imgur.io/gallery/tdmIA

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Bro, Superman cares only about Murica. Don't ever think of him as of your ally.

superman trump supporter confirmed. What a bigot

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It's not a clear feat to begin with because we have no idea how powerful the explosion was or how much he had to endure before he was hurled into the time-stream.

But I don't see any point in even arguing this since Smurph outlined a very specific version of Doomsday who is clearly nowhere near Thor's level. Sure, he can change the conditions of the fight to make it a bit more fair. But let's not pretend that Superman's and Doomsday's city-level brawl is comparable to Thor's and Odin's interplanetary fight.

I'm not changing the conditions of the fight.

This is the same "Doomsday (DOS)" that's ranked as a high herald in the tiers thread.

Sep 30th, 2023 09:57 PM

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What's DOS high showings? Did Mangog struggle to ko the weak asgardians?

Yes he struggled to ko Thor at times when Thor was getting koed by just falling off his Back.
So basically falling off back >>>>> Mangog's punches
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I'm kidding. But if you want to argue consistently and use Mangog whipping up on Asgardians (who were shown to be weak as humans) as why he is Sky father level and can stomp high heralds then you have to ignore those low showings.

DD high showings are killing many many lanterns, killing Superman (almost), No selling Martian Mamhunters hardest punch. No selling the entire leagues energy blasts combined. Blitzing Superman faster than he can see him move (same guy that can statue bullets) while simultaneously hitting 4-5 other members. Easily able to stab Superman with his protrusions. Able to leap 50 miles at a time.
How fast do you have to be to hit 5 people spread out (including Superman) all at the same time starting from hundreds of feet back?
There should be more. That's just off the top of my head.

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