Can you handle the Truth?

Originally posted by Dolos
No, science has only provided evidence that these forces exist, and according to the scientific method these forces can be debunked. These forces do NOT prove the Christian God in particular, and they certainly discredit the supernatural events in the Bible.

The laws of physics (laws require a lawgiver), thermodynamics, logic, cause and effect, and space-time to name some, are scientific evidence for the existence of the all-powerful, all-wise/understanding/intelligent Personal, omipresent God.

How can something came from nothing? This violates the law of cause and effect.

How can life come from inanimate matter? This violates the law of biogenesis.

How can the universe be eternal? This violates the laws of thermodynamics.

How can fixed, consistently applicable, absolute laws exist without a lawmaker? This violates the law of common sense, cause and effect, and logic.

This universe is expanding which proves that it had a beginning and is currently expanding, which is in keeping with Newton's laws of motion, and the Bible.

This is a scientific fact.

Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Heavens is another word for cosmos or universe.

To stretch is to expand.

The universe is expanding.

Did you notice the verse also said circle of the earth, not flatness of the earth?

Moreover, the Book of Isaiah was written between 701 and 681 B.C. This was at least 500 years before Greek mathematician and astronomer Eratosthenes, and over 2,000 years before Christopher Colombus was born.

The Bible is God's Book.

In fact, the holy Bible is replete with scientific facts that were revealed centuries before they were discovered by modern science.

This corroborates the truth that the Bible is given by inspiration of God (theopneustos i.e. God-breathed), because the technology for those who wrote the various books that constitute the Bible did not exist, and thus was not available to them.

Fast forward to 3:47 to see some of the Arguments for the Existence of God in the below clip.

John Lennox Vs. Richard Dawkins (Christianity Vs. Atheism)

YouTube video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbAtCb9K_zs

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14470665#post14470665

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=533188&pagenumber=128#post14470535

Originally posted by Dolos
No, science has only provided evidence that these forces exist, and according to the scientific method these forces can be debunked. These forces do NOT prove the Christian God in particular, and they certainly discredit the supernatural events in the Bible.

The laws of physics (laws require a lawgiver), thermodynamics, logic, cause and effect, and space-time to name some, are scientific evidence for the existence of the all-powerful, all-wise/understanding/intelligent Personal, omnipresent God.

How can something come from nothing? This violates the law of cause and effect.

How can life come from inanimate matter? This violates the law of biogenesis.

How can the universe be eternal? This violates the laws of thermodynamics.

How can fixed, consistently applicable, absolute laws exist without a lawmaker? This violates the law of common sense, cause and effect, and logic.

This universe is expanding which proves that it had a beginning and is currently expanding, which is in keeping with Newton's laws of motion, and the Bible.

This is a scientific fact.

Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

Heavens is another word for cosmos or universe.

To stretch is to expand.

The universe is expanding.

Did you notice the verse also said circle of the earth, not flatness of the earth?

Moreover, the Book of Isaiah was written between 701 and 681 B.C. This was at least 500 years before Greek mathematician and astronomer Eratosthenes, and over 2,000 years before Christopher Colombus was born.

The Bible is God's Book.

In fact, the holy Bible is replete with scientific facts that were revealed centuries before they were discovered by modern science.

This corroborates the truth that the Bible is given by inspiration of God (theopneustos i.e. God-breathed), because the technology for those who wrote the various books that constitute the Bible did not exist, and thus was not available to them.

Fast forward to 3:47 to see some of the Arguments for the Existence of God in the below clip.

John Lennox Vs. Richard Dawkins (Christianity Vs. Atheism)

YouTube video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbAtCb9K_zs

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14470665#post14470665

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=533188&pagenumber=128#post14470535

The Signs of God's Existence - Documentary [Full Length]

YouTube video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS1x-6al2pE

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14471905#post14471905

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=533188&pagenumber=130#post14472729

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14471905#post14471905

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=533188&pagenumber=130#post14472729

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14471905#post14471905

My bet is that Jesus from heaven above is shaking his head in disgust with your posts. Maybe Jesus is having a laugh with the apostles about you 🤣

Jesus: "that JesusIsAlive on that movie forum is completely batty and needs urgent therapy"

John: "I completely agree Father"

😂

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=533188&pagenumber=130#post14472729

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14471905#post14471905

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=533188&pagenumber=130#post14472729

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14471905#post14471905

Originally posted by -Pr-
I'd have thought that was how it was in most cases.

In a serious note, I really think that presenting a religion asks for lots of talent, disposition and most of all luck. To make spirituality sound appealing is pretty much a logical impossibility, because there is not a single speech you can try that will be attractive for everyone at all times, it's simply silly to believe otherwise. Lots of talent, lots of work to make religion to even sound like a desirable option, let alone as something attractive and fulfilling. It goes without saying: most religious people don't have what it takes to even begin approaching this in a successful way.

From the get to go, anyone who aims towards "conversion" when they speech is really addressing the issue from the wrong direction. You cannot even try to do that without some sort of manipulator mindset that will be transparent from most honest/attentive people. And yet this kind of performance seems to work at times. It makes me sad.

Originally posted by Bentley
In a serious note, I really think that presenting a religion asks for lots of talent, disposition and most of all luck. To make spirituality sound appealing is pretty much a logical impossibility, because there is not a single speech you can try that will be attractive for everyone at all times, it's simply silly to believe otherwise. Lots of talent, lots of work to make religion to even sound like a desirable option, let alone as something attractive and fulfilling. It goes without saying: most religious people don't have what it takes to even begin approaching this in a successful way.

From the get to go, anyone who aims towards "conversion" when they speech is really addressing the issue from the wrong direction. You cannot even try to do that without some sort of manipulator mindset that will be transparent from most honest/attentive people. And yet this kind of performance seems to work at times. It makes me sad.

I'm not presenting a religion.

I'm presenting a Person.

The gospel is an opportunity to have and enjoy a relationship with a loving, Personal Father through His Son Jesus Christ.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=533188&pagenumber=129#post14471552

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14471905#post14471905

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=533188&pagenumber=130#post14472729

Eh, I wasn't accusing you of anything JIA, it was a reply to a concern that other posters displayed earlier about people who try to convert others for their own sake.

Originally posted by Bentley
Eh, I wasn't accusing you of anything JIA, it was a reply to a concern that other posters displayed earlier about people who try to convert others for their own sake.

I didn't think you were.

I just saw an opportunity to talk about Jesus so I took it.

Besides, I cannot understand the motive of trying to convert anyone for selfish reasons.

I don't want people to be saved from the wages of their sin for my sake, I want them saved from their sins for their sake.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=533188&pagenumber=129#post14471552

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=14471905#post14471905

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=533188&pagenumber=130#post14472729

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=533188&pagenumber=132#post14482589

Originally posted by Dolos
I was delving in a "what if I could just be a do-gooder at church and keep my scientifically literate outlook on the world as well."

You talked me out of it with your "pseudo-scientific method" and spooked me out by claiming Christianity is not a theism, but a, as you put it, "a personal relationship with a man [Jesus]". Believe it or not, it is very unscientific to assume there's a supernatural being interacting with you from day to day.

Truth is Truth.

The Word of God (the Bible) is Truth.

M-Theory, the theory of evolution, String Theory--none have been proven to be true.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=533188&pagenumber=132#post14482589

Truth? What is truth? We don't know shiiii.

The existence of the supernatural has never ever ever ever ever been demonstrated by a legitimate laboratory experiment. Bar none. Case closed. So we can't go on claiming there definitely is a God and use that to fill in the gaps of what we don't know, that's for damn sure. We can continue to the search, the double slit experiment has come close to finding some supernatural phenom, but that is NOT confirmed. We must continue the search before we dedicate our lives to what could be false info.

In fact, the bible that you think you know is mostly filler, made up information. The evolution of civilization's past in the European Division of Continents is certainly full of miraculous accomplishments that dwarf all other parts of the world. What is also interesting about the European Division is that all major religions and what are now known as mythologies based there share many commonalities with Christianity, and when Christianity came, that's all she wrote. Now these stories are no longer expanded upon. I think the deepest secrets lie in the least delved into religion, Greek Mythology.

But I have my own theories on that matter.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/02/arts/television/through-the-wormhole-considers-mind-reading.html?_r=1&

http://www.livescience.com/37938-how-human-brain-could-be-hacked.html

http://www.senescence.info/aging_animals.html

http://www.agelessanimals.org/

http://www.abbeyworldmedia.com/do-dreams-come-true.html

Study: The Observer Effect. We do not yet know what it implies, as it has only been found in particle physics, one field of science. But I have found something a lot like it, willpower's ability to defy the odds.

You see, my dear friend, here's where you erred: You're submissive.

Most religions are filler, inflated scripts and textures, designed to thwart the world into acceptance and submission. There is no religion that preaches the Law of Attraction that we observe around us at all times. Christianity is the worst religion, for it is most directly based off of the events that stipulate the true religion - and therefore has been most altered to subvert truth.

Do you know what the cosmological constant really is? Mathematically impossible is what it is. A theory so undemonstrative that scientists have turned the field of theoretical particle physics into a total pseudoscience. Super-symmetry is of metaphysics, it is impossible to come to empirical conclusion with metaphysics, because metaphysics is pseudoscience.

I, however, have demonstrated via experience the simple fact of a foreign identity being resonant within me.

Jesus was not what the totally altered scriptures says he was, he did not preach what the current "Bible" says he preached, he preached the power of suggestion. His perpetual and endless energies to resist mind domination allowed him to expel demons from all whom he surveyed. The powers of our creators are great, their usurped creator's is supreme among them, and He does NOT want you to be rational or submissive, He wants you to go get what you want. To be whatever you want, without doubt that it is a bad thing, it is what you should have, because it is what you desire. There is NO morality.

Originally posted by Dolos
You see, my dear friend, here's where you erred: You're submissive.

What's wrong with being submissive? Have you ever tried to organize a group of people when everyone thinks they're in charge? It's a nightmare.

Originally posted by Dolos
Do you know what the cosmological constant really is? Mathematically impossible is what it is.

It's a value defined by a single equation you could find in high school level algebra class. Only the inputs are particularly complicated. None of it is mathematically impossible. I suppose to some people it goes against their philosophy of science but that's about the limit of how it causes problems.

Originally posted by Dolos
Most religions are filler, inflated scripts and textures, designed to thwart the world into acceptance and submission. There is no religion that preaches the Law of Attraction that we observe around us at all times. Christianity is the worst religion, for it is most directly based off of the events that stipulate the true religion - and therefore has been most altered to subvert truth.

Been reading The Secret?

My favorite line from that wiki article: "Although there are some cases where positive or negative attitudes can produce corresponding results (principally the placebo and nocebo effects), there is no scientific basis to the law of attraction.[6]"

Originally posted by Dolos
Jesus was not what the totally altered scriptures says he was, he did not preach what the current "Bible" says he preached, he preached the power of suggestion. His perpetual and endless energies to resist mind domination allowed him to expel demons from all whom he surveyed.

How could you possibly claim to know this?

You two aren't debunking my ideas here. Just spreading some nay say like you drones always do, unaware of why you must always be at odds to my ideas.

We all do stupid stuff in a zombie mode, and we may never know about it. When I was a child I had a premonition, my dad's eyes turned white (possession) and he broke my spine upon his back. I suppose we're all like that. For instance, my dad took my first capsule of focalin, I noticed the next day I had 29 pills, so I asked him, he told me he took it to see how it would affect me (worried due to my hostility on ritalin as a child), claimed it gave him energy. One night I took an extra pill for an all-nighter on homework. This Wednesday there were two pills left, and so I asked if it would be four days before I got my focalin refill, he said correct. Thursday there were 3 pills in the capsule, I asked him where the extra one came, he did not know.

Dolos, have you progressed from mutilating animals yet?

Originally posted by Digi
there is no scientific basis to the law of attraction.[6]"

Horse hockey. Experience, observation, is form in which this law is demonstrated from day to day. We doubt, and we burn. Nikki Lauda races a dangerous, primitive track in formula One, driven to beat his nemesis James Hunt. He doubts, he fears, he drives, he burns. James blames himself as he should, he watches a man burn and yet he resists his doubts and fears and guilt, and wins. We witness the cruel law all the time, however, our wills are like puppets, and there is something primal pulling the strings to make us play the fool, the victim, the winner, the loser, for teh drama. We should all be winners if we weren't demon possessed.

I have the perfect life, I see this victim of the cosmic drama, this deformed human being, I feel empathy, I feel I don't deserve what I have, and just like that the demons of doubt enter into my mind and make me burn. I remember seeing what war did to people as a kid, my first response was horror, but instinctively I knew not to accept these maimed veterans, not to see them, not to acknowledge that the horrors of war exist to hold me back. Hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil, and there will be no evil. Expel the demons of doubt.