Superman is from DC, and in DC he can lift a ship with one
hand without any telekinetic powers, why have him go by
Marvel rules?
And come to think of it, the same thing happens in Marvel
as well. You have characters lifting/pushing/pulling things that
would normally break in pieces under the stress, or simply
press the character down into the ground by the weight, yet
that is never explained by telekineses. So if both Marvel and
DC suspend this logic, then why bring it up with Superman?
And where in God's name did the Hulk ever lift 150 billion
tons? Don't tell me you're getting that from that stupid
mountain incident from Secret Wars I? First of all, he
never "lifted" the mountain, he merely balanced a certain key
focal point of it to give himself and his colleagues some room.
Secondly, the whole episode is ridiculous (as other aspects
of the series), and apparently even Marvel thought so,
since such an incident never came up again. If the Hulk
can indeed lift even 1 billion tons, he would be able to kill
anyone, including Silver Surfer, with one finger.
And the Hulk is only slightly stronger than the Thing (that's
why the latter is able to hold his own), while Superman is far
beyond either of them.
And as for my comments on the FF handling X-Men or
Avengers level villains, if you re-read my post you would see
that I prefaced that comment by saying that the FF were
"over-rated". That no way such a small group with such
limited powers can beat X-Men or Avengers level villains
(minus Reed inventing some fancy device ofcourse). They
obviously DO beat such opponents, since they are heroes who
must always win in the end, but looking at it rationally, they
shouldn't.
"Superhero complex"? Superman?! Are you aware that
Superman IS the original hero? How can the originator have
a "superhero complex"?
Finally, by now Galactus getting beat has become routine.
He was even beaten by Alpha Flight. He's become the
cosmic-powered version of Wolverine, popping up everywhere
to boost sales. Thus, what was once one of the greatest, most
powerful, and most mysterious character ever created in comic
book history, has now become just a marketing device, and
a joke.
Bottom line, Superman kills FF in minutes. I stand by it!
no....actually when a marvel character lifts something so impossibly heavy, it is explained by TK, or tech, or mystical energy etc...such as when Gladiator lifted the baxter building from its foundation. And saying the Thing is only slightly weaker than the Hulk is pretty naive. But fine...Even though Thanos respects the strength of the Hulk and has avoided a him in physical combat...a relatively weak Thing fought Thanos twice, badly losing in both instances...He held his own against Champion (far more powerful than Superman), Occulus (more powerful than the silver surfer surfer at the time), the Destroyer, Thor, etc...Although I think Superman would beat the Thing, based on the Thing's resume, he wouldnt just roll over and die from one superman punch like some ignorant people r illustrating...so with the whole FF there, this doesnt even sound like a match...The FF would easily neutralize Superman...Period.
Someone who can lift tens of thousands of tons with one hand or
shatter giant asteroid, can easily kill the Thing with one punch.
I don't like bringing them up, but here goes: Look at the old
cross-over (can't remember the title), where a mind-controlled,
and angry, Hulk punched and punched at Superman, with the
latter just standing there unmoved. Or when Superman shattered
adamantium, something no Marvel earth character can possibly
do.
Or about the other cross-over, where Spider-Man goes flying
back simply by the air-pressure of Superman's flying fist (he
held the punch back at the last moment).
True cross-overs may not count with many people, but in those
particular cases, the writers had a good idea of Superman's
strength.
Superman will murder the thing, there is no qestion about it. His Stonger than him , Superfast , heat vision , etc.
Superman is build to be SUPERman no way he can hurt superman.
Here is how a well writen comic will go.
Superman meets FF4 (they have to fight no holding back)
If superman man wants to kill nothing will stop him
The thing will punch him , superman won't even move. Then gives him an upercut (thing is in the air) use heat vision to Fry him.
While the human torch throw fire , it was no effect what so ever , then he takes the rest of the FF4.
The only way i see FF4 winning if the comic is written badly. Like the thing actually giving sups a fight, thing should be like roach but in a crossover iam pretty sure thing will be giving sups punches(which is not realistic)
or mr.Fantistic makes some sort of tool to drain superman.(which is very likly that mr.fantastic can) but with no pre time they can't to shit.
Highly debatable. Superman is not stronger than Thor.
Sue will put someone down and HARD; in addition, and she ALWAYS uses her force constructs in a plethora of ways whereas Superman NEVER speed blitzes an opponent. Big difference.
Thing can fight them all...not saying he would win...but he can engage just about any strong guy...considering he has fought Champion, who is stronger than Superman, the Destroyer, Hulk and Thor, he would be a factor in a fight between superman and the FF.
Champion of the Universe WITH his power gem is way stronger than Superman. Without it? well... She Hulk beat him down. She- Hulk.
Mind you, She Hulk is stronger than Thing.
Juggernaut74 is correct. There isn't much Ben can do to Superman. Johnny is almost as fast as Superman in flightspeed (Orital velocity, 69,000mph.) But I don't know if the novablast would affect Superman too much.
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