See, those guys you gathered in Kotor II didn't have that... Look you can argue about Revan beating the Exile all you want, but argueing that the Exile his team is better is just foolish the only that stands a chance is Kreia... But she can't compete with all of them
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The Exile had people with troubled past which was a reoccuring theme in the game the people he traveled with were proper because they were like him. people who needed to get away from there past except Go-to. THese were people who needed to do better things in the future. They were perfect for the part and I loved everybody he traveled with except Go-to. Because of there past every character was deep and I wanted to talk to them a I. The characters from Kotor 1 weren't as interesting. there back story wasn't that good except Jolee's and canderous. The other's didn't have much depth.
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I never felt so dark as when I told Zaalbar to kill Mission. I always hated Juhani but when she met those slavers everything changed, I was really pissed off when I couldn't take Zaalbar with me into Kashyyyk, I hated his brother for keeping him in Rorwooken and it was the first time in Kotor I wanted to make a stupid decision, i just wanted to slaughter the entire village and take Zaalbar with me.
Nobody in Kotor II even made me feel like that, when i was walking with Mira on Malachor I just wanted her to die and get it over with so I could return to the story and hope a lot would be explained. I couldn't care less about her, or any of your party members. Atton was okay but nothing special the only one I ever cared about in Kotor II was Kreia.. The rest could just die for all I cared.
None of their story's involve you, or make you seem like anything at all. Nothing that makes me show any emotion or care.
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Zalbar's Kashykk encounter with his family wasn't as interesting as listening to Mira's story. finding out that she was a mandalorian. Nothing in KOTOR I gave me greater satisfaction than training the handmaiden to be a jedi. When Visas does that whole scene where you see each other through the force was great. No cut scene in KOTOR 1 was that good. The Stories of these people that I traveled with were great far better than the stories from Kotor 1. I even like the mystery of the exile's story mare than the conquest and savior story of Revan Thge exile's story actually made me think. I wasn't suprised to find out I was Revan I kind of expected that.
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Bias report.... Incoming pwnage picture.
btw.... Revan and his team could wipe the floor with Exile's team. Especially when you consider Mandalore, his entire friggin' clan, and the robots would side with Revan. PWNED!
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Hey whose to say he would side with revan we don't know who the droids would side with nor mandalore. I'm not talking about who would win in a fight I'm Argueing that the Exile's team is more interesting. But since you wanna argue about kick *ss ability let's go and people who were with both does not count so that includes T3-M4 and HK-47 and Canderous
Hanharr vs. Zaalbar- Well that bowcaster Zaalbar had was cute but he would be destroyed. Wookie rage is powerful
Handmaiden vs. Mission- let me not get into it the handmaiden is an echani fighter and was set as a Jedi guardian. Mission was a fourteen year-old twi'lek with abandonment issues who needed to learn that her place wasn't on the battlefield but dancing in the cantina.
Bastilla vs. Kriea- Well first off I must say that this is a little Bias because I don't like Bastilla I'd. I don't like her so much that if I had to choose between having sex with her or Kriea I'd choose Kriea. Bastilla's will wasn't as strong she would have been broken. Don't argue with the truth.
Atton vs. Carth- Though I like Atton and despise Carth I would go with Carth. But you must remember that Atton has killed Jedi and was turned into a Jedi sentinal and had the ability of not dying when he was suppose to. And he had a better back story. So with pistols Carth He's tough and is a war hero so he had to be a good fighter tough but Atton can pull out a lightsaber and was a good shot. I did better shooting with Atton than I did with Carth. I'm going with Atton. Forget my ignorant comment up above Atton has this fight as far as displayed power. It may not be the canonized ending but damn it I don't need a war hero to win. I'm fine with a Jedi who has tortured others in the past winning because based on his stories and the fact that he was a fighter, pistoleer and was turned into a Jedi I'm going with atton.
Visas vs. Juhani- This is a fight worth seeing though I loved Visas and Juhani was cool not as cool as Visas I'd have to look at thier power. I will say this though Visas had a far better master than Juhani Visas master was noteworthy. And don't Argue that Revan was one of her masters her master was that Jedi she struck down on dantooine. I can't even remember that girls name. And I got better use out of Visas than I did with Juhani. I'm not trying to down Juhani but I did like Visas far better and her story was better And the cut scenes with her were great.
Jolee vs. Bao-Dur- I liked Bao Dur and his role in the story but Jolee did have a great Back story and gave history from comic books. I kicked more *ss with Bao-dur as a guardian than I did with Jolee but as far as respective power I would say Jolee wins this fight.
So there you have it. make whatever comments you want but think about them and don't make bias remarks because I did spend at least 45 minutes seriously thining about these individual fights. This is not based on if all of them had a brawl of the same time in the Feminine hygine department at wal-mart but if these people met individaully. I do also realize that the matchings up above are not always the team the the Exile nor revan (as far as Juhani) will travel with but I put them with a respective competitor. So there it is.
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Hanharr vs Zaalbar - I really do think Zaalbar would win here, but a lot of people disagree me as can be seen in other threads so this will still go to Hanharr just so that I won't have to go threw that argument again.
Handmaiden vs Mission - This fight isn't even worth talking about, Of course the handmaiden takes this she is a freaking Echani fighter. Mission is dead. Thats the 14 year old mission however, i'm sure she has learned a lot since then and if they were both put in the real world Mission would survive while the Handmaiden would just walk around naked getting looked at funny and do stupid things. In an arena the Handmaiden would win, but i'd rather travel with Mission then with her.
Atton vs Carth - Actually I wouldn't give Carth a chance here, he's going to fight a Jedi. A weak untrained Jedi but still a Jedi. Carth will have one hell of a problem here, but... Actually he might just be able to pull this one off, if he can get the right situation and help from lets say Bastila her battle meditation.
Visas vs Juhani - I have said this a million times already and will say it again. Visas is nothing but a seer, she see's threw the force thats why she is the apprentice of Nihilus. Nihilus has no real need for an apprentice because he isn't a real Sith. She is alive because she can see. He will not have used her to fight he has no reason for her to fight. She just needs to stand around and see, and when the Exile beats the crrap out of her she has no training at all. Barely a Sith or a Jedi just has the force with her. Also her mind is weak as hell, yes she can see but she stands no chance against Juhani.
Jolee vs Boa Dur - Well yeah Jolee is going to take this one easily
Bastila vs Kreia - No challenge Kreia wins this one easily.. However, Bastila isn't going to fight Kreia. Bastila is going to sit back and use Battle Meditation. With how week some of the Exile his team is in the mind that is, battle meditation is going to be damn effective and even though Kreia would still be unbeatable she would give both Mission and Zaalbar a chance, she could make Carth win, Juhani would wipe the floor with Visas. Jolee would easily take out Boa-Dur who is far to weak in the head anyway.
Now that would still mean the Exile his team has an edge though because to win they would just have to use Kreia and kill Bastila. However you are forgetting three very powerful people that would join Revan his team.
First of all, Mandalore/Canderous.
Now this one will join Revan his team without any doubt, he will join Revan his team because he would follow Revan threw hell and back he says so many times in Kotor, he respects Revan far more then he does the Exile... He would die for Revan without any doubt. The Exile he just follows because he can pick up some Mandeloriasn and Kreia promisses to tell him about Revan. He follows Revan at first becuase he needed him and then later on because he is Revan.
HK-47 even as he follows the Exile talks about Revan like Revan is god. He would never fight against Revan never in his life. He doesn't respect or love anybody as much as Revan, and he does say that Revan is the only meatbag he can stand. Also notice that he hates calling the Exile Master but he has no problem doing that when it comes to Revan. HK would destroy the Exile himself if he would have the chance, he says he actually likes Malak. Adores the bastard and he would still have killed him in a second if he would have known what Malak would have done against him. There is just no chance in hell that HK would not follow Revan.
T3 now the only one who's loyalty's aren't clear threw conversation but action says just as much. Everything T3 does, he does because he is ordered to do so by Revan. Not to mention that Revan is his original owner along with Canderous. So he would follow those two no matter what it would take, droids have loyalty too and by the end of Kotor you can see just how big T3's is. He would follow Revan no matter what.
In light of that, Revan his team would win. With the help of Bastila her battle meditation Mandalore and those two droids the other team just would not stand a chance, without those guys however Revans team would be dead
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Like I said before Fishy this is not a fight between all of them at the same the there are not all meeting at the sperm donation clinic to have a really big fight. These fights are based on if they met individually at different sex shops or wherever. That means no help from friend that means the only person that Bastilla could use Battle Meditation to help would be herself. And when I played I did equip Kriea with Battle Meditation and brought it to master level. Like I said Before I'm not using the three nuetral characters HK T3 and Mandalore this is with people who were only in one team. And the Handmaiden was far more interesting than Mission. Mission was immature and not to complex. I'd rather be on a date with the hand maiden. I do believe Carth would be killed but I do give him a little mare credit than you do he was with me in battle on the leviathan and we did have to kill jedi, but in an individual fight Atton would win. And don't down Bao-Dur I did much better with him than I did with Joleen but it's true based on back story and all Bao-dur will die.
Now with Visas and Juhani you do keep saying that Visas was weak but Juhani was also. Yeah Visas did easily follow but so did Juhani and Juhani did let her emotions get the best of her. Visas went up against Nihilus (with the help of the Exile ) but that is still a fear that she shed herself of. Yeah Juhani went up against her master but she did it out of rage Visas did it because she shed her fear. And I did not find Juhani that strong. Nothing in her back story suggested to me that she was strong I was only able to go on my fighting skills with her. Visas had nothing in her back story that suggested she was weak but that her world was destroyed and she was taken at a young age by Nihilus. He struck fear into hear as he would with anybody young or unexperianced in thew force. When she faced him that was a sign of strength kind of like when an abused kid faces there parents. So I have to go on that and my ability to kick *ss with her I'dm say Visas is stronger.
p.s did you say a REAL WORLD situation with mission and the handmaiden. Ok dude so your saying people would look at a half way nakedwoman wierd but a fourteen year-old blue alien with tubes coming out of her head would just be able to go about her business and not get any looks.
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Last edited by nolan lepaz on May 17th, 2005 at 06:23 PM
And i wasn't talking about a date, i was just talking about who i'd rather spend my time travelling with. At least mission has something to say no matter how annoying.. Handmaiden is just boring
Now in a one on one fight then yeah Kotor team would lose, no surprise there seeing as they weren't all Jedi
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Yeah but I still think Atton would win with pistols over Carth. I was just so much of a better shot with Atton. I don't really let any of my characters use blaster weapons it's always melee but Atton with two blasters was great. I did let cvarth carry two blasters but he wasn't mas effective as atton. Who was also an echani warrior. So if atton wasn't a jedi I still believe he'd win. And the Handmaiden would kick missions *ss if she wasn't a jedi. Just look at it scout vs. echani warrior. And I liked talking with the handmaiden, like I said before finding out all of the characters past was exciting to me. I like learning other's history and ideas. Mission didn't quite cut it for me. I wasn't as entertained.
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Are you sure because when I played the game Atton was already equipped with pistol skills and asked for a pistol in the game. But to tell the truth It wasn't so much a point of if Atton had pistols more of if Atton wasn't a jedi he can beat Carth. Yeah he had pistol skills but he was also had echani fighting skills.
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You are thinking in game mechanics to much... Atton is a better team mate becuase he has a higher level and the weapons are more powerful.
But Atton killed Jedi without using blasters thats what he did, thats what he always did hunt Jedi. He almost never used blasters. Carth did, and Carth isn't a bad fighter himself. In a one on one fight and where Atton doesn't have his Jedi abilities then Carth could win. If he would just start at a small distance away. Atton would be dead before he would reach Carth
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I didn't down Carth he is a great fighter according to his history but Atton is an echani fighter if things got to close quarters then Atton would win. I guess if they were in sstrawberry fields where nothing is real (sorry) then Carth can squeeze off a few rounds but blaster really aren't that powerful in the game.
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From a distance Carth wins, if Atton comes close then Carth is dead. But don't underestimate him with a blade either, he can use it. And he has recieved training with it. Not enough to equal Atton but still some to at least be able to defeat an already weak opponent. Which Atton would probably be if he just had to run across some distance to get to Carth.
But that doesn't matter at all because Atton is a Jedi and would kill Carth.
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