kof is a team fight yeah, the bosses are much stronger also for this reason, geese was on a team in 96 along with other single fighter bosses big and krauser so you saying because sf is single it's touger doesn't help your argument. also, if he "perfected" his skills so well then how come so many other much lesser characters can do it exactly the same (sakura and ken). ryu's fighting style is the most basic and simplistic of any fighting style, i'm prety sure kyo terry definitely ryo can pull off his same moves if they wanted to how basic and ineficient as it is. underminding kyo's learning new moves and changing up his style some is just sad and pretty low man, basing arguments on bias is pretty rediculous as well.
so if learning more techniques and being disciplined in your arts doesn't count then what is the point of the belt ranking system used in real martial arts? satsui no hadou is OVERRATED to rediculous points of absurdity. i saw a post in these threads where someone said akuma would defeat goku in a fight, wtf??? hey i love streetfighter as much as u or any other sf fan, but i'm not going to let that stand in the way of picking who would win in a fight i rather look at logic, and logic says kyo would win, same way satsui no hadou would fall before orochi
Hold on then, let me understand you here. You think Sakura, or even Ken utilise the techniques to the same degree as Ryu does? Your dead wrong if you beleive that. For one, Sakura has a natural learning capability, but her techniques are nowhere near as developed as his is. As for Ken, he focused on different areas of the Ansatsuken style to suit his own fighting methodology, much the same way as Kyo's fighting methods are different from Saishu's, and Ryo's differs from Takuma's
Basic and inefficient? Bull crap... If they are so ineffective, then why are they so effective at doing their job?
I never underminded or took anything from Kyo, I am stating that Kyo's techniques changing every other game makes it seem as though his prior techniques where not up to par, and going by the methodology that you and Addy where using, that means that he is somehow better, when in fact just throwing away techniques is the sign of someone who is not comfortable with their fighting style.
Your calling me bias based on what? I really want to know this and I am pretty impartial and indifferent to this really, I don't particularly care who wins or loses, but seeing people post foolishness and misleading others does get under my skin, thats part of the reason I came to KMC in the first place all those years ago.
#1: the ranking system determines the quality, not quantity of ones repitoir.
#2: Whoever posted that drivel needs a good kick in the head. However, it would be a mistake to use the overratedness of one or too people as a benchmark for the rest, and then use that as an excuse to downplay it the other way, that makes for a hypocritical oppinion.
#3: Your logic fails horrendously in the first instance, and as for the second, Orochi would win yes, but ask yourself wether or not that is due to plot device or not, remember, in these forums, Orochi's sole vulnerability to the Sacred treasures would expand to being normal vulnerability to everyone unless otherwise stated.
so changing things around and not being the same old expected fight is someone not comfortable with their style? you believe your own crap? you'd be a better fighter if you had more at your disposal and aces up your sleeves to say rather than someone who enters EVERY SINGLE FIGHT WITH THE EXACT SAME MOVES. you would get found out and you would lose you'd be predictable and BORING. out in the first round of kof, him ken and sakura.
and why would kyo not perfect his moves? he changes betwen them throughout the series not to mention uses them in the respective canon comics.
and back to ryu and his "perfected moves" apart from ken's shoryuken having fire, their other moves are the same man, same with akuma and sakura.. you don't see shingo pulling off any of kyo's moves frame forframe.
and for as long as ryu's been around, kyo also has him beat with accomplishments, hellso does terry and even k'.
i mention bias because i've seen your other post on different threads and it seems akuma is god in the flesh to you so obviously you'd cheer for his sprite clone ryu.
Now your attacking me Vavavoom, don't do that without provocation.
How many people can actually counter the Ansatsuken style?, Hmm? C.mon, How many? Not very many I can tell you.
Out in the first round? You have no way to prove or demonstrate this at all, you've made an incredible leap of faith rather than logic.
No, he doesn't actually practice many techniques that he actually keeps other than Onyaki and Orochinagi. creating too many variables in a fighting style can be just as bad, or even worse in some cases as keeping to the basics. The basics are a solid foundation. Creating too many flashy moves actually complicates the situation more than is nessisary.
Sakura's techique is far more personalised and based on observation rather than training and the teachings. in a way, it's more akin to Dan's than Ryu's or Ken's because it's entirely self taught. sakura does not have the actual teachings or principals of the fighting style to go on. Ken and Ryu do however.
Actually, yes you do. The only difference bitween shingo's and Kyo's variants of the techniques is the lack of flames on Shingo's part, and, like Sakura, Shingo has personalised the style to suit him. your way off base here...
For as long as Ryu has been around? WTH? Ryu has been on the fighting game scene for far longer than Kyo has... And kicking Ryu's ass? Based on your oppinion maybe, the facts don't state that at all. hell, Terry is a good rival for ryu, but no, andsure as shit not K'. Stop trying to pass your oppinion as fact.
Firstly, were have I overrated Akuma anywere in these forums, please find specific quotes of me doing this. second, Ryu and Ken are the originals.
You keep talking about bias with no evidence to substantiate anything you've said, and then go on to demonstrate heavy bias in this very thread for Kyo, Terry and K' and even Ryo, all based on the pretext of "more moves = better" without even stopping to consider 2 things #1: quality > quantity, and #2: a fight can be ended with a single strike. therefore, your entire premise that more moves is best is completely bogus and based on shoddy logic.
i meant ryu being around way longer than any of these fighters and only having defeated sagat as his main accomplishment, it wasn't that hard to understand when i wrote it the first time i didn't think.
and ansatsuken, you mean the sneak up behind you and atack fighting style? knda hard to counter any surprise attack don't you think.
and if you're ofended by my last post, doubt you'd be too happy with the others where i rip you a new one.
you ignore the part where i said ryu is predictable and any good fighter would see this obvious flaw and take advantage. hey maybe him ken and sakura can get pass the american sports team before getting the boot in kof.
and if you aren't biased, then what company of the two do you believe have the overall stronger fighters?
Only having defeated Sagat? Thats not hishighest feat, nor was he in his prime then, he was merely a kid.
He never "snuck up and attacked anyone from behind" ever... Where do people pull that from?
The thing is, you havn't "ripped me a new one" or come anywhere close to proving your case, besides this isn't a contest, as I said before, win or loss is not my objective here. It's accurate information.
No dude, I didn't ignore it, like I said, a fight can be won with a single move, so, in essence, your theory about requiring multiple moves is inaccurate. But as for predictability, do you mean that in a broad sense or only reffering to the number of techniques? Because if your reffering to the latter, you couldn;t be more wrong... You see, Ryu has developed enough variations of each technique to throw off even the most determined foe, without having to create brand spanking new moves every time he's up against a wall. It's called "determination".
Your either joking, or showing horrid bias with that statement.
Thats just it, I don't go by company or affiliation at all, each individual character has their own merrits and weaknesses, I judge each fight by the characters alone, it doesnt matter to me if they be Capcom, SNK, Namco, Tecmo, Westwood, EA, Bethesta, Blizzard, 3D Realms, ID or any other VG company you can name, affiliation means precisely nothing.
ok the only reason i came back...is because vavavoom took a fall for me... and i am not gonna leave him alone...
look darkfart... you obviously didnt come up with one good argument in this whole thread... and neither that other guy...with the pic of a guy constipating to death....
so you both have to listen to this....
more moves...dont assure victory... i do agree to that... but repetitive moves... do assure defeat...i mean, in a nutshell... kyo might not be the best fighter in the world, yes there are stronger fighters than him... but ryu is simply worst than him... so kyo wins... but unlike sf fanboys...i have some stuff to support my argument...
come on think about it...... get a monkey... try hitting it in the heaed like 2 times... and the third time it'll duck/dodge or someway avoid the attack... thats what ryu's moves are.... repetitive...and probably to anyone else as well... improving a move/attack would mean improving its execution, rate of recovery, speed, angle, trajectory(in this case) and alot of other things... and yes maybe than the strength of the attack... because simply overpowering an attack, is like putting a v8 on a v6 car... yes it will go faster... but u will crash on the next turn for sure...
i.e ryu's EXes and specials...
want more example for your simple brain...?
if you are throwing a ball in the basket let say at an arbitrary force of 10.... and you miss it(note: not fall short of it...miss it.. as in miss the target...) and you throw that ball again in the same way. same trajectory, angle and everything... with the force of 12...do you think your gonna get it..? no... no matter even if u throw it at 20.... your not gonna get it right...
similarly... no matter how powerfull or polished or quality ryu's 3 moves are...
as long as they are gonna have the same execution (hadouken leaves ryu open to kyo's whirwind)
as long as they are gonna have the same rate of recovery(shoryuken leaves ryu hanging in the air for any of kyo's extra crispy SDM's)
and as long as they are going to be simple and repititive( the spinning kick... come on... sakura,ken,dan,sean,yuri(kof) and in a way kazuya,jin,heihachi can do that too... do you really think that its a quality move)
the fighter exceuting them will lose...
i mean if you practice sharpening a pencil like a 100000000000000 times... at 10000000000000th... you will still be only sharpening a pencil... (@darkfart this is called sarcasm. before you reply to this saying that sharpening a pencil is different from spun kicking...go find the meaning of sarcasm you are good at that... and even after if u dont get it...than just know if your doing something braindead simple that alot of others people can do as well... theres not much room for improvement and even if you improve at that...theres not much recognition for that improvement)
oh by the way who ever said that he fears the guy who has practiced a kick a thousand times... must be a wuss.... cuz... a guy who has practiced a single type of kick a thousand times... is waaaay predictable.... cuz he is gonna strike with the same kick 1001st time as well...so instead of fearing him....the smart thing would to counter it....
which Kyo will and ryu will lose...
P.S just an after thought... i would rather fear the guy who has practiced thousand kicks.... cuz i wouldnt know what he will come up with
and more if ryu is so powerful....than why hasnt he beaten.... any of his foes..... vega, oro, alex, akuma...check my previous post, i have written the losing memoirs of ryu...there...
as for kyo...yeah he did it with the help of his buddies... but he did manage to defeat rugal, shin iori and everyone else in the kof to succeed to finals... how many times ryu has made it to the finals? he enters a tournament too right..? doesnt that ring any bells......he always end up losing somwhere in between... and before u guys say that kyo's wins are plot devices or PIS... be careful... ryu's only win against sagat in street fighter 1 is also a plot device...
and dont you think satsui no hadou is part of that plot device too.... i mean he only won/wins in PIS cuz of satsui no hadou...
cuz if we are comparing non-PIS non-plot devices here than still kyo has better Specials tha ryu... and than ryu's satsui no hadou would only be considered as an advantage over kyo, if we as a player can could chose a normal ryu and sort of switch his mode to satsui no hadou with a certain command and inflict more damage and some extra moves... it would be really cool though... wish it was possible... CRAPCOM please make ryu better...or these fanboys will die LOL!!....
Last edited by addy30 on Aug 15th, 2010 at 07:54 AM
man go look at other vs threads where u kneel and worship akuma u will see what i've posted, i really don't think you get half of what i'm saying sometimes, earlier the how long ryu's been around thing and now this.
addy pretty much summed this one up, which he did earlier in the thread anyways by posting win lose records accomplishments etc. and the sneaking thing(another that flew over your head) apparently only way akuma catches ppl with his raging demon is from behind, it's easily countered in games so maybe that's why he only does it from behind.
but yeah, hadouken, shinku hadouken or that "new" hadouken in sf4 is still,... wait for it... a hadouken! and like addy said, like the hurricane kick EVERYONE can do it! predictable, obvious,(same stance for all different named hadoukens) and easy for someone like kyo to counter react to, ryu's not the only person with projectiles and honestly ryo would be a harder opponent for kyo to fight than ryu, but like i aid, blame capcom
Like I said before vavavoom, you'd better prove it with specific quotes of me doing it. Because this isn't the first time I've been falsely accused.
What? You stated Kyo's been kicking ass for as long as Ryu has, which was an outright lie, as was your assessment of his win/loss record. Defeating Sagait wasn't even close to his highest showing, which serves to illustrate my point that you either know very little about Street Fighter in general, or your obviously making up crap to try and deflect attention from the fact that your praise for Kyo is so ill founded it is laughable.
Flew over my head? Right, thats why I asked where you pulled that laughable crap from right? Like I said, if your relying on gameplay mechanics, then your relying of false pretenses. if you want tht kind of match, go play Mugen or watch Youtube, but don't bring that to the table here.
Hadoukens are predictable in gameplay ONLY dude, this is why I illustrated the point earlier. There is very little that is predictable in any cutscene or anything remotely close to how the battle would actually go.
seriously dude....what is your problem...just cuz u cant prove your point... your gonna crap all over this place...???
if we give an example from the game movies...you say its PIS...
if we give an example from the story....you bring the canon and non-canon crap.....
if we give the example of moves in the gameplay....than you call it .....BLAH BLAH BLAH....
why do you love Ryu so much...seriously give up....your fighter is pawned..... you lost.... you havent been able to support ryu with even a single bit of proper argument...
and vavavoom is right... everything we say goes above your head...and than you use your newly learned line
"where did you pull that crap off" to show that ur still cool...which ur not!
and BTW, in my last post i didnt use gameplay examples... i used real life examples....and im sure that they went above your head as well...
but if you want to assume that ryu will modify his hadouken in a real life situation against a real life kyo...??? fine... if thats what your getting at....dumba$$?? fine....
i mean come on, ryu cant win against kyo in PIS feat coparisons, ryu cant win against kyo in a canon or non-canon story feats.... and ryu cant win against kyo in gameplay mechanics... so what else is left now...?wait...yea... now you thought... lets bring a real life fight... how sad...
anyways if ryu is allowed to modify his beloved hadouken than kyo shud be allowed to do the same too... and guess what..? ryu will be pawned again... cuz how much something as simple as ryu's 3 moves can be modified...?
let me guess... you want ryu to copy Yuri... cuz her upper cuts are waaaay beter than ryu's... her normal move has back to back shoryukens... or do you wanna copy Ryo's version of spinning kicks.....cuz its waaaay faster than ryu's and causes much more damage... or do you want ryu to modify hadoukens to those of takuma's... cuz he throws them with one hand and are quicker....
and wanna know the worst part....kyo can still counter them with out even modifying his moves... and he has already beaten all the names mentioned...
or maybe just like your assuming that in a real fight the story will be different.....i shud assume too... than yeah... story will be different.... ryu will get beaten harder...
seriously dude....give up... ryu lost this one... im sorry to say...but he did... and pretty bad...
Last edited by addy31 on Aug 16th, 2010 at 08:27 AM
please do yourself a favor and dont repeat something like this... cuz it just shows how thickheaded ryu fans are... and how shallow are their arguments...
Alright kid, you wanna get schooled so bad that you waste your time on a forum that does not want you, you must be a real sad and lonely kid... You have no life apparently since you feel the need to sock, troll flame and spam all within the space of a few minutes just to try and rile me up. Your pathetic... But I'll give you one more spoonful of ownage before you get vapourised from my screen once more.
You really want to talk about proof? You cant even provide a single legit source to your name, and you have to punctuate everything you say with a lame assed threat or swear word or insult to even attempt to make a point. You've got no buisness being here at all.
What movies? The Anime? No dude, thats not PIS, thats non-canon. Period.
If your reffering to ingame story that does not rely on Plot device voctories that Kyo accomplished solo, I'd accept that, but you can't since there is NONE, and nothing you have provided indicates otherwise.
Call it what, Smart@$$? Hmm? What? Oh yeah, thats right, Gameplay is dependant on limits of players and the engine of the GAME! Get this through your thick troll head! You can't utilise gameplay limitation in an actual theoretical debate genius!
Where did I say I love Ryu or any videogame character? Oh wait, your horribly addled brain is conjuring up morbid fantasies again... Righto. Seriously, you CAN fly! Jump out the window and you'll see!
Heh, Right, just like logic and common intelligence flies over yours, No wait, sorry, the flight got diverted from the flight path it did a 180 to completely avoid your stupidity, MY BAD!
I ignored your trolling posts deliberately because your a moron who has nothing better to do that go on a harassing crusade over fictional characters because my oppinion differs from yours. Instead of replying, I ignored you. You see kid, your not worth my time even reading the complete shambles that you produce.
I'm sure even your madness addled eyes can see that Ryu would not fire a Hadouken only in a single straight filght path every single time. We see in legitimate cutscenes he can aim them in any direction he chooses, even at his own feet if he pleases. he didn't fire in a straight horizontal path when he was trying to wave skim it UP a waterfall...
You are a real loser you know that? Your stating your heavily and obviously biased oppinion as fact and then have the balls to call me sad... Little troll, I've shat turds bigger than you.
As much as is nessisary to win, without the overagressive ego flashiness Kyo seems to trip over.
Now you see where your ego and madness takes you? Right back into fantasy land, you bring up characters that have absolutely nothing to do with the thread in a horribly ill fated attempt to discredit a character you hate, simply because you hate him, and you fail miserably at it.
It's a horrid shame your using your own argument and not mine to try and counter my point, this is your idiocy, not mine.
Assume? I assumed nothing. Your tripping out again, whatever it is your smoking, your A: too young to be smoking anything and B: already as braindead as it gets, adding mind-bending drugs on that and you've got a house on fire right in your own head.
Like I said, only in your well illustrated and horribly deluded mind.
Hows about you try and debate legit, or get the hell out of my face.
It's a shame I'm neither A a Ryu fan, or B said anything about Ryu wining the fight, but your so blind, deaf and absolutely stupid as a brick that you cannot hope to acheive anything other than hilariously horrid trolling and bias fanatacism that surpasses anything any prior moron has ever acheived.
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