Well said. Considering Thanos' durability feats (such as taking blasts from the Silver Surfer and Odin as well as surviving being sucked into an artificial black hole) I highly doubt Maestro's physical attacks are anywhere near enough to beat him. Add the above listed ways that Thanos can win and I'd say he takes it 9 or 10/10.
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Thanos made an idiot out of the Champion w Power Gem.
Surely, Champion with the Power Gem to draw infinite strength from is concretely greater is strength to any version of Hulk.
Yet Thanos made short work of him.
Strength wise Thanos takes this.
Intelligence wise, Thanos still takes this. Thanos is a skilled fighter, he learned all his fighting skills from around the Universe (he trained Gamora one of the deadliest female assassins around) and his exposure and service to Death gave him insight into everything having to do with administering Death, including war.
Banner's intelligence is that of a scientific nature, not of a martial arts or warfare nature. Thanos' intelligence is more suited for such matters.
Dude, The Maestro is gay compared to Thanos. Thanos steps on his face while laughing and peeing on him after he augments his strength to be 50 times stronger than Maestro, so the force of the pee hitting him so hard actually inflicts damage. Thanos dominates Maestro....... not even worth mentioning.
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based on the fact that i can't see maestro being able to do enough damage to put him out with purely physical means, i can't see maestro winning this. i rarely say 10/10, but in this case it is likely appropriate. i do take exception to a couple points raised: the bit about thanos amping his strength to 'infinity' is an overused point imo and one that has never been shown to be true. thanos DID make champ look like an idiot, but that's because he IS an idiot. he did NOT overpower him -- didn't even 'beat' him in a traditional sense. he stranded him and out-thought him. different from beating/ko'ing him.
the power gem v hulk's strength is also a definite question in my mind. i see no reason why hulk couldn't amp to gem level. hulk can break the physical laws of the universe with his strength. no gem wielder has feats equal to hulk. but. . . that's a topic for a different thread -- i started an older one that pitted hulk's strength v the gem and it was very interesting . . .
bottomline: i think maestro could likely match thanos in strength and if it STAYED purely physical he may have a chance. but thanos has reduced hulk to a skeleton with a single blast before. thanos is simply to versatile to lose to a very one-dimensional maestro.
Even I will say this.Thanos isn't omnipotent or omniscient.And he can't beat everyone out there.But he isn't going to lose to some old ass Hulk in need of Rogaine.
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I'd actually give a much better chance to savage hulk. Thanos wins this pretty much 9/10.
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I said it before and I'll say it again : Maestro will give Thanos a run for his money. Period.
Thanos himself stated he doesn't want to fight the Green Goliath from Earth... imagine the trouble he would be in when he's fighting Maestro, who is as strong as two Hulks.
Thanos will probably win, but only because he is more versatile. NOT because he is stronger (I seriously doubt that) or more durable (maybe, but Maestro's healing factor kicks ass)...
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Thanos' versatility and fighting skills alone can ensure his victory over Maestro.
He said he sought to AVOID fighting Hulk over the years, not that he never wanted to fight him.
Thanos is not the person to do something that is unnecessary to his plans. How would fighting Hulk help him out in the slighest ? Hulk has nothing Thanos would ever want.
I still beleive Champion w Power Gem is stronger than any amount of Hulks only because he was subconciously drawing upon strength from the Power Gem which is truly an infinite source of power (according to thanos quest), yet Thanos still beat him.
Thanos has stalemated Odin and Tyrant, who are clearly above Hulk....
THOR can beat Hulk according to Stan Lee....this may be totally debatable though.
How do you think that NONE of the arguments are convincing? Read the past pages, I'm sure you'll find something.
Originally posted by Lord Urizen
Same thing.
That's a lame excuse. He didn't want to fight Hulk because he knew he would get his ass kicked.
By using his brains, NOT by overpowering him.
Stalemated ? Are you... sure ? I remember it not like that. And Maestro is also above Hulk.
So ? I don't follow you. Hulk has beaten Thor, and vice versa.
Nope.
I already said Thanos would win this, just not as easily as some (the majority) seem to think.
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I already said Thanos would win this, just not as easily as some (the majority) seem to think.
You also said none of the arguments were convincing. Forgive me for having been mistaken.
Same thing.
No it's not the same thing. Why would Thanos fight someone he doesn't have to fight ? For the sake of battle? That's not Thanos. Champion w Power Gem is still stronger than Hulk, and Thanos went to battle HIM because it pertained to his goal.
That's a lame excuse. He didn't want to fight Hulk because he knew he would get his ass kicked.
Again this is just your opinion that cannot be backed up any proof. You cannot SPEAK for Thanos, so you're claim that he was too scared of getting his ass kicked is INVALID.
By using his brains, NOT by overpowering him.[/B[
So what ? Thanos has already proven that sheer might is not enough to win any battle. Even if Thanos does not use tech he has major versatility and fighting skills. He'd take it.
[B]Stalemated ? Are you... sure ? I remember it not like that. And Maestro is also above Hulk.
I should take that point back. I only know about Odin and Tyrants encounters with Thanos from website sources and fellow debators who swear they have proof of it. I do not have the comic book issues themselves.
Maestro is above Hulk ? Cool...but my point was Thanos has faced people above the Hulk ALREADY.......Hulk is no big threat here.
So ? I don't follow you. Hulk has beaten Thor, and vice versa.
Right, but Thanos has beaten Thor. Your implying that Thanos strength alone is not enough for Hulk/Maestro, but he's beaten Thor numerous times. EVEN MAD THOR with POWER GEM he's beaten.....come on again...Hulk cannot compare to that.
People don't seem to realize that Maestro has no defense for the majority of ways The Mad Titan could defeat him. With the exception of physical force.
[QUOTE=6526409]Originally posted by Bunker "Some of the feats listed to Thanos advantages has occurred very few times and some is linked to his technical equipment. I'm not claiming to be right, I'm sure some one has read more of Thanos than me and can correct me. Here's my view on Thanos feats:
[B]Teleportation
Thanos can teleport, but only "short" distances and this is a invention of his, not a natural ability. He was banned by Nebula to "forever float in the depths of space" in the IG series, shouldn't he have been able to teleport himself away if it were a natural ability? Of course, Nebula had the Infinity Gauntlet and could have removed that ability, but I have never seen Thanos use the teleporter as an offensive weapon."
I'd have to dig into the crates to prove it to you, but Eternals can teleport thru their own personal power. They use others (like Pip the troll) or tech only because it's easier and less stressful. Also, Thanos has voice-activated tech built into his suit for porting, such as he used in the fight against Champion. And "a short distance" could easily place Maestro inside an active volcano.
As to why he didn't teleport while floating in space...who knows. It's not like he can't survive indefinitely in space, so why be in a rush to go anywhere? The Mad Titan's known to sit and ponder whatever it is conquerers ponder. If I'd suffered a defeat of that magnitude I'd be reviewing game tape to see where I went wrong. Maybe this was his "me time"
"Matter manipulation
He turned a skrull into stone, but has since then never been seen to use the ability since (remember, from what I know!). This feat was used when Thanos was young as a character and his powers were not decided. He has had plenty of opportunities to use this skill and been in need of them."
He hasn't used it often for the same reason Magneto doesn't stop the flow of everyone's blood, Supes doesn't speedblitz everybody and Wonder Woman doesn't just lasso every criminal instead of letting the police interrogate...writers have pages to fill. In addition, lots of Thanos foes are herald-level and above, meaning they have at least a little control over their molecular structure.
"Mind powers
Yes, he has engaged Galactus, and for a moment he had him on the ropes. But, not due to his psionic powers. The world eater stated that Thanos tricked him:When Galactus then assaulted Thanos he fled the battlefield. And as of resisting Moon Dragons mental probing, it was stated by Moon Dragon her self that she could not read the minds of any member of the Infinity Watch, which the Titan was secretly a member of.
The part about Nate Grey I'm not familiar with. I do know that he toyed with Drax, but any "real" attacks he's mustered has been with the aid of the Soul Gem or a third party (Moon Dragon, Prof X)."
On multiple occasions psionics have attempted to read The Mad Titan's mind and been rendered unconscious. Seeing as how I'm at work and the proof is at home, hopefully someone else has some scans for you.
I haven't taken the time to figure out how to post spoilers, but The Mad Titan did something to The Fallen one in his miniseries that he should easily be able to do to Maestro. Don't want to give it away, but most would be impressed.
"About the physical strength, I would just like to add that when he beat the Surfer to death he wore the IG, so we can't know for sure that this feat was of his own strength."
I don't remember him having the gauntlet when this happened. To your defense, Thanos stated in the Thanos Quest storyline that he had avoided a physical confrontation with the Hulk for years. Probably because he knows Hulk could physically stand up to him if the fight was to go on long enough. But the odds of Maestro pulling a victory even in a purely physical fight are less than 1/10, simply because Thanos can always augment his physical might with cosmic energy.
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"I should take that point back. I only know about Odin and Tyrants encounters with Thanos from website sources and fellow debators who swear they have proof of it. I do not have the comic book issues themselves."
The Odin fight is posted in the Thanos respect thread. The tyrant fight might be there as well.
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