I hate it. The flash is one of the most powerfull char in the dc universe. probably the strongest, and in that show they make him a stupid kid that has no common sense. I especially hate the fact that they make him dumb (seeing as how the flash is a scietist, with very high intelect)
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Me, too extra..... I love Wally West's character, but I hate the Flash's so-called powers. Flash, first and foremost, couldn't do those things and also, he shouldn't. It'd be dumb for all that.......
yep, i absolutely agree. so true. i tend to like the 'depowered', versions of flash better. and the more comedic ones. atleast anyhting other than speedforce enriched flash.
Since to you, Jubilee apparently has no point at all, what's the point of anyone then? What's the point of Archangel? What's the point of Poison Ivy? What's the point of Toad? What's the point of The Shocker? What's the point of Beak? What's the point of Iron Fist? What's the point of Squirrel Girl? Etc., etc.
And if anything, Flash jobs to the DC universe. NOT the other way around.
Flash suddenly gaining powers annoys you? What about Superman's T-Vo power? Where the hell did that come from? What about Aquaman's increased super-strength and telepathy (not just fish-based)? Explanations? What about Iceman suddenly becoming all ice (when he used to just cover himself with a layer of ice/snow)? And staying that way?
Maybe I am easy to please. Personally, I read comics to escape reality, to see characters do things that could never ever even be conceivable to happen in our reality. If they're given new powers, they're given new powers. As long the powers entertain the reader, that's really all that matters.
I competely understand where your coming from and in alot of cases i agree. I think the point he is just trying to make, and sort of me as well is just that, well for instance; (and perhaps you can relate)
I love love love love LOVE teh show 24. Jack bauer is a mans man. Pure buffness.
Now if one day Jack bauer was in say hour 15, and something terrible happend causing a thermonuclear breakdown and some catastrophic event to happen, and then Jack suddenly finds a timecrystal, and reverts to one hour ago so he can prevent all that from happening, in a big way the show will have lost alot of what made it great. It would detract from the amazing screenwriteing that i have come to love on 24.
The same applies to comics, or any form of entertainment. Its moreso, a character stepping too far out of what is "believeable" (in thick quotations) withinn its own settings. Its just dissappointing to see characters you love spiral off into a goofy mess. Gosh
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Dude stop talking nonsense. Jubilee is a bad character. That doesn't mean that all characters are. Just because I don't like the movie 'The Da Vinci Code' does that mean that I don't like the movie '2001: A Space Odyssey?' Jubilee sucks. She represents nothing and doesn't even have a cool characterization. She basically sux. Oh yeah, btw Arch Angel sux, too! All of these other characters and them gaining their powers are different than someone just having another entire universe that they can throw people in. When in doubt, Flash can just throw someone int he Speed Force. That's just dumb. Also it's understandable and makes a modicumb of sense that those characters would find out they had new abilities, but it makes no sense that Flash would gain powers that awesome! Your basically just being a jerk and picking apart my words to try and make them look foolish and not even listening to what I'm saying. You're not even trying to hear me and that's what makes no sense. You probably don't have much going on if you get off on trying to nit-pick everyone's thoughts just to make yourself seem right. The point of this forum is to share ideas, not show how everyone that thinks differently than you is wrong. You need to grow up a little bit friend.
a flash hating article. if you feel that way than stop reading comics. everyone gains new powers and abilities to make them stronger than the last guy. if this werent the case you'd have superman not flying or running fast. tha flash eating up the planet and only running at 700 miles an hour, aqua man and auqua lad talking to fish, and only talking to fish. batman having a towel around his neck with no belt and no batcave. you're making no sense at all.
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To Metalman..... If you do just like to escape reality, that's understandable, and to a reader like that, anything off the wall would be ok, but I read for inspiration. It's the opposite of inspiration for some guy to throw anyone he feels like into his own little place that only he can survive in. What does that mean to my life? Superman, however, inspires me to be a better person. If you read to escape reality, there's a million other books to read in addition to comics. I hate it when writers think the majority of the readers are just looking for a story and nothing more. I expect more out of my comics than garbage such as what Flash has done. Unless you have a 'who cares. I just want to relax mentality,' that stuff will not fly.
than you shouldnt read superman. superman gets weak, fly's into the sun, comes back, and kills everyone. not only that but they decide to give him the last remaining power ring in the universe.
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First off, you need to relax a bit. You're the one misconstruing my words now (even though I don't think I did it to you at all).
You think I'm nit-picking? I'm just taking a break from writing a paper really. I'm just debating with you is all. Ya know, that thing you do on a forum? I'm hearing you loud and clear, I understand what you're saying. I just don't happen to agree with it. Now my job in this is to try and persuade you. That's how debating works. We're sharing ideas and having a good time. At least I am. I hope you are, too.
Tell me, in as much detail as possible, why you think Jubilee sucks? And could you possibly do more than just say "Jubilee sucks. She represents nothing and doesn't even have a cool characterization. She basically sux."? I mean, as insightful as that is, I need a bit more. And Archangel, too, while you're at it.
And then tell me why Superman doesn't suck. I'm curious as to why you feel the Flash, Jubilee, and Archangel suck, and yet don't feel the same for Superman, when he has clearly done much more outrageous things than these three combined.
Okay. I will tell you and thank you for caring enough to ask, but first I will comment on the 'debating' that we're doing. First, I don't really like doing it. Most people are not open-minded and do not actually care what you have to say. They will sit and wait for their turn to talk, which is pointless to me. Most of the time, nothing gets accomplished. Not saying that I'm any kind of perfect person, but I on the otherhand am very interested to hear what other people have to say, but am frusterated when there isn't reciprocation. I tried to edit a previous post to mention that you did seem good with words, but that mere fact actually irritated me more since it seemed as if you were twisting around what I said and also doing it in an effective way. I think that we're gettins somewhere and I am enjoying writing this post infinitely more than any of my seeminglg 20 posts in this topic. Lots of my posts are more of a venting nature and when you're trying to get something off of your chest it is difficult to take criticism. I'm glad to see that you care enough to ask me to delve into what I actually mean. Also, in case you didn't catch it, I ad a post saying that I can understand how this kind of writing is cool if your point is to escape reality. We are just different readers and that is definitely okay. I can see how someone uber powerful doing cool things like that would be nice to read if you just want to get your mind off of things. Me, on the other hand, I have a different approach to things, and it is very true with how I like my comics.
First off, I want to say that I don't even read comics anymore because I hate the way lots of the writers do many characters, and this absolutely includes Superman. I will only read something if it's referred to me by a friend. Also, I do like Flash, at least Wally West. The characterization is very good. Wally is just a likeable guy and I can relate to him plenty. Unassuming and good-natured people just have a place in my heart. He is much better than Jubilee, who in my opinion, doesn't have much to offer personality-wise, and her power isn't interesting enough to make up for it. Being really fast and able to do all this stuff with just that one power is really really cool, but it has gotten to be too much for me. From what it seems, there's no reason for anything to ever be wrong when you have someone that powerful and instead of the DC universe it should just be called happyland. Also, the powers are just extremely far-fetched when considering the character. He is a regular person, who's metabolism is so high he has to eat millions of calories/day, and it doesn't seem like a human body could endure that kind of strain no matter what kind of 'speed force' might assist. All they have to do is tone him down a bit and keep it somewhat imaginable. I just get an irritated feeling in my gut when thinking about him doing all that. It doesn't set right with me and I listen to my gut. Okay, and on to Arch Angel. Wow......... this guy is really a marketing scheme. I liked regular old Angel much better. A boy with wings looking differently than everyone else is cool in itself. It's got to be difficult to deal with something like that. Anyways, giving him the metal wings with the pins that come out of them and the shift x speed just seems childish to me. It's clear to me that they did it just to make him more hip and cared nothing about the integrity of the character. Now Marvel needs to make money and if Arch Angel sells more than they need to make him Arch Angel instead because they need to make money or there won't be any comics anyways, but nothing was added that really struck me as an improvement. I'm just not impressed by metal wings. I also don't like what they did with Spider-Man by giving him that new suite because it's obviously just to try and sell some eventual toys and get kids to think it looks cool, but he's at least still Spider-Man. They've made him too strong, though, but I still love the character. I won't let a few things I don't agree with change who the character is to me. In short, there's a few reasons I don't like lots of the characters, and most of them are just that they're geared to a simple-minded audience and don't turn the wheels of my mind. Jubilee has hardly any individuality to her. Arch Angel's metal wings aren't cool enough to fascinate me, and as it relates to Flash, lots of that stuff is just too outlandish and too unnecessary for me. I like a different approach to my characters.
First, I may not like Arch Angle, but that doesn't mean that I can't like a story with him in it. There could be a great story, even centred around him, but definitely with him as a main character that could capture my attention. For instance, I like lots of the Star Trek episodes even though I don't care for all the characters. Anways, the entertainment I like makes me think and makes me think to myself that I should do better, or is just extremely interesting. I really like the movie Fight Club because the behavior in the movie is so interesting, but I like contemplating Superman even more because the character inspires me. I could talk all night about Superman but I won't. Superman was the one that started this comic business, and you can see his influence in every character out there. The 'Never Ending Battle' kind of somes it up, but the manner in which he handles his respnisibilities is just so admiriable. He makes some other heroes look insignificant, yet somehow manages to make them all feel empowered anyways speaks wonders about him, and I like to relate him to my own life. If Superman were me, how would he handle this part of my life? He just really makes me try to do better and that to me has infinitely more longevity than a simple momentary high of something really hip and cool. Superman is classic and stands for all that is noble and decent. His presence can be felt by me in every second of my being. That is why Superman does not suck to me. I'm glad you asked me these questions. Thank you.
People who try to draw physics into this are in need of desperate help.
You do know that when traveling at light speed time slows right? So when he runs around, everyone he knows is aging at an accellerated rate. I don't feel like debating this, but if you are trying to use physics to justify the Flash you are just plain wrong.
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