Jean was born with those powers. She is literally a part of the Phoenix and always has been. THAT is continuity.
Just to restate my earlier example, see the Force as Multiple Man and Jean as one of its duplicates. As she is a part of the Force the power is her own, however as she is not the sum total of the Force the Force is in a way seperate at the same time and the greater froce can direct its smaller segment in the use of its power.
"EACH X-MAN HAS a PLACE, EACH a purpose Greater than himself or herself"
SO ACCORDING to ISSUE itself, Straight from the WRITER'S Mouth.
XAVIER, COLOSSUS, WOLVERINE, KORSAIR, BANSHEE, CYCLOPS, STORM, and NIGHTCRAWLER, ALL GAVE their LIFE-FORCE to HELP Jean Knit the Lattice Back Together.
Scarlet Witch, Jim Jaspers, Hyperstorm, Franklin Richards
In no order, these are the most powerful mutants IMO
Second Tier
Nate Grey (slightly lower than the top mutants but higher than the rest), Jean Grey, Cable, Proteus, Jamie Braddock
(possibly Vulcan and Mr. M also).
These are based on just raw power not "who would win in a fight".
I'm probably forgetting some people, but off the top of my head this is how I see it.
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Jamie Braddock's power derives from his manipulation of the quantum strings of reality, he has been shown to manipulate the WHR. It is not outside of reality.
That's why I keep saying they need their own universe. They should be "shunted" out of regular MU. They may sell comic books, but they are actually hurting the other books. They reduce credibility, they overshadow any non-mutant characters that may be involved in a storyline with them.
Terrible.
Ive already handled the M'kraan crystal issue so theres no need for me to tackle you point for point anymore.
The X-men that gave their life forces to Jean were Storm and Corsair. That was as stated so she could bind herself to reality and perform the task.
When going about performing the task she lost heart and as stated it says she realized she couldnt do it alone. It says the the spirits of the X-men were with her and they gave of themselves just like Storm and Corsair gave of themselves. You can either interpret that they similarly lent a hand by being with her there in spirit and encouraging her ("the spirits of the X-men are with her") or they to gave their life forces so she could bind herself to reality and perform her task.
Either way the power of the X-men accounts for little when helping in a multiversal effort. Theres no debating that. Those combined X-men couldnt blow up a planet with their energies let alone bind a multiversal or even universal power.
As for the crystal being universal as you would so love for members here to believe, any comic reader with half decent comic knowledge knows that the current status of the crystal is multiversal. It is the multiversal nexus of realities. It got retconned into this status during the Legion Quest Saga. That point is not debatable. That retcon means that Jean contained a multiversal power not just a universal power as was the crystals status back in its 70's debut.
The crystal when its power is unleashed in one universes unless stopped by a Phoenix, eventually goes on to collapse the entire multiverse before resetting it. There arent many alternate crystals in each reality there is ONE. So Phoenix by containing its power first and foremost saved 616, but ultimately saved the multiverse.
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As for the Jim Jaspers issue, he warped the reality of a universe. That is fact. He never went to a void and started creating his own reality from scratch. With that in mind when he says he made the stars and so on, what he did in reality is twist a reality to coincide with his own vision. Not as impressive as Phoenixes top feats.
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Jaspers in a reality he warped. Dont try it. I will post the entire issue and leave people in doubt of your hypocrisy. Dont EVER even suggest that i misrepresent scans. You have been shown on several occasions to be guilty of doing so. Poor show Emmie Only a comic debate.
theres no way in hell franklin is nearly as powerful as a celstial nothing short of a cosmic entitty is as powerful as a celestial. however he may be more powerful than mr. m im not sure could someone scan some of franklins feats
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Jim Jaspers had to be given a Plot Device to be stopped, that would be the FURY.
The FURY was created by Jaspers himself:
Jim Jaspers cannot be defeated or killed by any Physical means, Only the Fury, which was indestructible and created by Jaspers Himself, after absorbing a Computer the size of a Cave, was able to kill Jim
Here the FURY blasted Jim down to the skeletal form
BUT, after "absorbing a Computer the size of a Cave, it LEARNS, ADAPTS"
The FURY was created by Jim to be indestructible too though, and NOW that it has the intelligence of a Computer the size of a Cave, even he can't kill it (Plot Device)
The FURY lasted long enough in a battle with Mad Jim, because it was designed by him to be unstoppable and indestructible, except by himself of course, but after absorbing the Intelligence of a Computer the size of a Cave, even Jim couldn't kill it (Plot Device)
This was the only weakness that Alan Moore (the Writer) was able to give Jim Jaspers.
In other words, ONLY the FURY (which was created by Jim) can or could defeat him.
After a long fight, the FURY killed Jim but was weakend by Jaspers, Captain Britain and company took advantage and killed the weakened FURY.
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i hear you dude..no need to get into all this with me. thats why Jaspers is way up there on my personal list...the point was to illustrate that Jaspers just warped an already existing universe to his liking, not build one from scratch..as that would require him going to a place where matter didnt exist..and as you can see per the scans you've so generously provided that is a place where he is powerless. so no one is doubting the fury's skill, or Jaspers vast powers...well at least im not
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as he had no power there 
