The last one is canon, it happened - just because Thor would go back in time to change things doesn't change that. The others are clear examples of Marvel editors letting their fights go as they should when it's outside normal continuity ie. protecting Hulk's popularity.
And maybe you should accept that Hulk cannot beat Thor unless he's without mjolnir, can't use any other power, and apparently has to have one arm behind his back.
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It was canon at the time it was written and published, but after Thor changed the timeline at the end of the reigning, it's now considered an alternate future/alternate timeline.
But he has during that time under Hela’s spell and near the bomb site. And both times, Hulk didn;t want to fight him.
This is pretty much all instances of him using it out of what, 300+ comics? Hence the use of the word, “rarely.”
And yet, for all that, he’s still admitted to be inferior to Hercules in terms of skill, who has proved ineffectual to Hulk.
When it’s happened practically every time they’ve fought, it’s clearly not jobbing. It’s only jobbing if you have reasonable doubt to believe Hulk isn’t nearly as strong as Thor except saying, “Hulk isn’t that strong. It’s just Thor jobbing.” When Hulk stalemates him for a full hour like that, it’s really Hulk jobbing for not getting any stronger.
And as we’ve seen in the latest Planet Hulk, Hulk just recently demonstrated planetary level strength by pulling together the splitting crust of the entire planet. You’re going to have to come up with a better excuse.
Regardless, it’s still happened.
Any way, Hulk’s recently enclosed the splitting crust of the planet he’s on now. He’s resisted a field that had the power to shift the planet from its orbit. His strength is just as “planetary” as Thor’s or Bill’s, if not moreso.
No. It isn’t.
Hulk vs Thor is strength vs strength.
Hulk vs Spider-Man is strength vs agility.
They are nothing alike.
It wouldn’t matter. His superior in that field (Hercules) has tried and failed. He isn’t Shang Chi. He’s a brawler more than any thing.
Why use three noncanonical sources to try to prove your point? What kind of logic is that?
It's like using What Ifs to prove Wolverine can stab the Silver Surfer and kill every body on the planet, seeing as how he's done that in those storylines before. Would you say that was the editors taking liberties to show what they think could actually happen in a story without popularity?
You made the statement claiming Thor doesn't use skill, I had proof stating otherwise. Either way it shows the more times than not Skill will prevail over strength.
Hercules and Thor are near equals, ans even if Hercules is superior to Thor in the skill department it's not by a large margin.
Yes Accel, it's called jobbing. You don't find it odd that Thor can easily defeat characters who can destroy earth on a whim, yet when he fights Hulk he seems hopeless? using that logic, Hulk is street lv character considering Wolverine, and Spider Man have regularly given him battles.
Destroying Planets with strength, Crushing Celestial Domes, Throwing Planets out of Orbit in arm wrestling contest, fishing away planetary size objects >>>>> Holding the splitting crust together, and resisting fields.
Also, I doubt you want to use current incarnations of the characters in this battle.
Hulk's strength more planetary than Thor's and BRB's?, Those feats you mentioned don't even compare to Thor and BRB's strength feats.
And since you want to talk about resisting pressure feats, Thor has stood in the core of the sun. The pressure in the core of the Sun >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The pressure of throwing a planet out of orbit.
Thor's faster and Superior to Spider man in skill.
Strength vs Strength, Skill, Battle Experience, Agility > Strength vs Agility. Your correct, there nothing alike.
It doesn't matter that Thor doesn't implement his skills in battles with Hulk?
On these forums we don't have to judge based on popularity, the main reason Thor jobbs to Hulk.
Someone once said that if Superman was going to be faster than Flash, then what's the point of a Flash?
Similarly, if you're gonna have Thor, BRB or whoever stronger than Hulk, then what's the point of a Hulk?
Thor with his hammer (or BRB with Stormbreaker) is clearly more powerful than the Hulk. But if we're just gonna go toe-to-toe, than Hulk should be the superior force. Otherwise, he should just be removed as a character from the face of the superhero universe.
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That’s hardly ever the case with Hulk. Like I said, Hercules has used skill against him. Namor has used skill against him. Maestro using the Destroyer armor has used skill against him. Karnak, a guy who’s managed to knock out Surfer, has failed to take down Hulk even when striking his weakest spot.
Skill doesn’t do a bit of good if you opponent becomes too strong and durable for you handle.
Enoguh to make a difference and tell one that if Hercules can’t take Hulk down with skill, then Thor’s not going to.
He uses his hammer on those occasions. With Hulk, it’s all fisticuffs, just like in this battle here. And Thor getting beat up when trying to take Hulk H2H is just simply an accurate portrayal of their relative strength levels.
That’s faulty logic. Spider-Man, Daredevil, and Wolverine have all given Thor problems. And whether they’re fighting Thor or Hulk, street-levelers don’t use strength, but their speed and other abilities.
Hulk isn’t street-level. He’s top-tier. He’s proven it time and time again by either stalemating or beating Thor is a direct contest of strength. There’s no two ways about it.
Destroying an asteroid 2X Earth is more or less the same as destroying a planet. ALMOST throwing a planet out of orbit is basically the same as breaking through a field capable of moving the planet form its orbit.
Breaking a device that could withstand attacks from Celestials and beating up Mephisto in his own realm are about the same as breaking a celestial dome.
Not to mention the time he deflected an attack that ripped apart an entire cosmos and the time he broke through the Silver Surfer’s barrier (someone who has just recently shown he can output around Thanos-level power).
I’m not. I believe we’re using Savage Hulk, who is stronger than the current incarnation.
Look two posts up.
He didn’t literally go into the sun. It was a dimension inside the sun.
He’s not faster at all. He’s failed to tag Spider-Man on at least two occasions without resorting to the more exotic uses of his hammer. He was helpless against Mongoose, who Spidey managed to at least keep up a little. He couldn’t even tag friggin Daredevil when he tried.
Because, as we’ve seen if someone who’s a better fighter than him and just as strong (Hercules) couldn’t put him down, then it only makes sense to realize that Thor sin’t going to.
When he gets his ass beat fighting H2H, that’s not jobbing. That’s just how a fight between these two goes when Thor doesn’t use his versatility, which he doesn’t have here.
Hulk beating or stalemating Thor in H2H has nothing to do with popularity. They’ve been doing this since the very beginning. Hulk beats him because- repeat after me- Thor can’t put him down before Hulk overcomes him with his strength.
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Jan 17th, 2007 07:23 PM
, Those feats you mentioned don't even compare to Thor and BRB's strength feats.
