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Not counting TOAA, no one was is more powerful than Pre R Beyonder.

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He's not called THE ONE ABOVE ALL for nothing...

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He's not called THE ONE ABOVE ALL for nothing...

Like the Celestial?

Btw. TOAA didn't create the Original concept of the Beyonder.

The Beyonder always was, he Never had a beginning.

No where On Panel or in Bios is it even hinted that the OAA or any Other Entity had anything to do with the existence of Pre-Retcon Beyonder.

TOAA was "god" In the Multiverse.

Beyonder was "god" Outside the Multiverse.

And the Outside was Trillions on top of Trillions of times Bigger.

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Like the Celestial?

Btw. TOAA didn't create the Original concept of the Beyonder.

The Beyonder always was, he Never had a beginning.

No where On Panel or in Bios is it even hinted that the OAA or any Other Entity had anything to do with the existence of Pre-Retcon Beyonder.

TOAA was "god" In the Multiverse.

Beyonder was "god" Outside the Multiverse.

And the Outside was Trillions on top of Trillions of times Bigger.

so who is the god in the outside

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so who is the god in the outside

Beyonder was "the outside".

He was everything in the Beyond realm.

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Not counting TOAA, no one was is more powerful than Pre R Beyonder.

not even LT

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Btw. TOAA didn't create the Original concept of the Beyonder.

Now, that's where you're wrong. beyonder was created by writers/editors... Indeed, the Marvel Corporation created him, and TOAA is the embodyment of that corporation.

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Now, that's where you're wrong. beyonder was created by writers/editors... Indeed, the Marvel Corporation created him, and TOAA is the embodyment of that corporation.

I never said Beyonder is a real person that was always there, laughing out loud

The Character created by Jim Shooter, (the Beyonder) had nothing to do with TOAA.

Should I post like over 10 Scans stating Beyonder always Was in his Universe?

That he had NO beginning?

I think not since I know you know this already.

TOAA is ALL of Marvel.

But during the Beyonder's PRE Era, the Beyonder was ALWAYS Everything Outside the Multiverse.

The Comic never mentioned another Entitiy that shared the Outside with him,

Beyonder was absolute and ALONE and he was everything!

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But, I'm saying that Beyonder only existed because TOAA decided it would be great marketing to do a Mega-Crossover.

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But, I'm saying that Beyonder only existed because TOAA decided it would be great marketing to do a Mega-Crossover.

Your taking TOAA and Stan Lee connection too literally.

You're not making TOAA sound like a fictional character, your basing your opinion on the theory that TOAA is the Marvel suits/Stan Lee and company.

Even if "god/toaa" is a spin off of Kirby and Lee, they still have officially appeared in a Comic book (atleast "god" did)

So this "marketing scheme" theory I can't agree with.

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I don't think that TOAA is Stan OR Jack... TOAA is the building they were in and all of it's contents. TOAA is BOTH of them, as well as every other employ who's been part of marvel.

GOD and TOAA are the same.

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not even LT

After the retcon, Beyonder submitted to LT's judgment. Who is the Beyonder? True Beyonders creation. Wait and see, if that is true

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After the retcon, Beyonder submitted to LT's judgment. Who is the Beyonder? True Beyonders creation. Wait and see, if that is true

This thread is asking about Pre-retcon Beyonder, not Post-retcon Beyonder.

Pre-retcon Beyonder>>LT.

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This thread is asking about Pre-retcon Beyonder, not Post-retcon Beyonder.

Pre-retcon Beyonder>>LT.

I know that.

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I noticed this fight... isn't about Pre-Retcon Beyonder.

It's about "Pretcon" Beyonder. Whoever that is.

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So from reading this we can say:

pre-retcon TOAA< pre-retcon Beyonder
present TOAA > Pre retcon beyonder
Pre-retcon Beyonder> pre retcon LT
present LT > Pre-recton Beyonder
HOTU>Pre retcon beyonder (you own thread stats that)

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So from reading this we can say:

pre-retcon TOAA< pre-retcon Beyonder
present TOAA > Pre retcon beyonder
Pre-retcon Beyonder> pre retcon LT
present LT > Pre-recton Beyonder
HOTU>Pre retcon beyonder (you own thread stats that)

...TOAA was never retconned, therefore there can't be a Pre-Retcon TOAA.

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In some way yes the TOAA in the secret wars was limited to the multiverse the one who is in charge now runs the entire Omniverse.

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Originally posted by Utrigita
In some way yes the TOAA in the secret wars was limited to the multiverse the one who is in charge now runs the entire Omniverse.

What TOAA rules over has simply gotten larger in size over the years.

This doesn't equate to a "TOAA retcon".