Because spiderman punched carnage to sleep on to many occasions (when spidey was in the 10 ton range) and sabes is just as strong and is a MUCH better fighter than spiderman and is blessed with a healing factor that can take any punishment and he thrives off of pain to last in the fight until he uses his claws to either rip carnage head off or punch his hands through his head.
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On many occasions? Mind posting issue numbers then? Carnage's healing factor should take care of any major damage (Assuming it's good, or better as his father's) Slicing damage really didn't affect Venom (Kraven's spear etc)
Sabretooth isn't punching his hand through someone's head who can take Venom's attacks rather easily. IMO This is pretty much Upgraded Venom taking upgraded Wolverine.
as far as was stated: yes
I'm using the feat to guage an strength range.. but I explained about that above..
and the third point isn't a good example.. I can get my feet 4 to 5 feet off the ground with a decent jump... wolverine's 7 times stronger than me AT LEAST. it only stands to reason he'd be able to do something like that...
Though 50 feet might be pushin it.
"i seem to remember forge telling me this here force field could stop a full grown elephant" or something along those lines. Again are you doing to demonstrate an anti-benefit of the doubt?
you conceded to one point, not the entire argument..
Absolutely not. the link I provided just states: more than
the article I read stated "an excess of"
Oh please, no one's whining here.. Now I'm just going to say this once:
You've implied that I'm "whining" you've implied that I'm moronic...
please be civil.
I agree.. my problem is just that.. when you've got a bio that states his strength, stats which support the bio, and feats that support the stats it's hard not to give sabretooth that estimation in strength..
especially when on the other hand the only hardcore feat that counters it comes from an arc as notorious and contradictory as ruccas for some of the reasons previously stated ALONE.
And yet you've done it.
Discarding the very examples that made the debate debateable in the first place.
And please, don't cop out on me here either.. I may appreciate the character but don't for an instant pretend that my appreciation for him inhibits my ability to reason.. Nothing I've said as of late as been non-factual, or at the very least up for debate.
the very definition of PIS.. nuff said really.
Which time? the time she flew up from behind him and punched him 3 football fields out a skyscraper? or the time she flew up behind him again and buried him in a wall, relentlessly clobbering him?
The next time he had a straight encounter with anything comparible was when he fought ms. marvel and he was outslugging her by her own admission.
and yet you're the one trowing insults about.
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Are you ****ing serious?
Carnage was the one who STARTED THE DAMNED FIGHT... lets not pretend like Carnage didn't know what he was getting himself into as soon as he lept toward Spidey and venom.
Carnage may have had a messed up mind but using that it is nothing more than a losers excuse considering that venom was equally f'd.
No I don't remember that being an attributed reason to why he lost...
And it was hardly a fight because the symbiote was reacting to venom's commands not cassidy's.. kletus got pwned end of story.
Once again on alevel playing ground, and once again venom put an end to the nonsense carnage was starting. Carnage didn't fight back because he couldn't.. Venom was pounding on him too fast and too hard to retaliate.
And CIS is still in effect so carnage is still semi-retarded.. he deosn't even understand was "reign" means..
Sure his damage was mental, but he wasn't exactly an atomaton, he knew exactly what he was doing and even attributed that his condition wasn't going to affect the outcome of his battle with venom.
Venom may eventually heal from his torture but lets not pretend like venom healed the instant he saw carnage.. cause that's folley.. they were both F'ed up, and venom absolutely curbed carnage...
Venom WANTED to fight.. carnage STARTED the fight.
Again, I don't remember that as an attributed reason for his loss.
Cop out more likely due to carnage's stupidity.
Again, i realize it doesn't equate to his benchpressing abilitiy.. but it DOES show that he's definitely in the league one would need to be at in order to press 10-15 tons..
An elephant ALONE weighs 7 tons, and can drag 10 more.. I can only image how many tons of pressure they can apply with a full charge.. point in fact.. sabretooth's stronger than that.. Basically if Sabretooth and an elephant charged one another Sabretooth should come out the victor (no pun intended), it seems to imply he WELL within the 10-15 ton strength range.
And please cop-out there: next time someone shows me spiderman lifting up tons of debris or a rail car, I'm simply going to reply.. it doesn't count it was never tested against anything else..
Why are we so willing to give Sabretooth an anti-benefit of the doubt here?
Well it doesn't seem as much of a feat that would dictate 10+ ton strength, though I'm unaware of how strong one needs to be to backhand a car off it's wheels... the elephant feat simply stands out as more impressive to me.
see I just don't understand how that logic works... Wolverine's grappled with characters like rogue, and roughouse.. batman's grappled with wonderwoman
I would attribute these events more to the skill of one character more than the lack of strength in another.
you tell me, since you were the first to bring it's comparitive up...
okay how about the times spiderman isn't holding back like with white ninja or wolverine?
How about when Spiderman himself is overpowered by a guy like kingpin? does that dictate spiderman has a lack of his stated and stat-ed super strength?
__________________ "damn jinzin, you're a real trooper, you provde fact after fact and pages and pages of proof and these wanton miscreants just keep at it"~MERC
oh by the way, I know what you mean about the sabretooth respect thread.. if all goes according to plan we should have a new revamped sabes thread up and running by the end of the week it's going to contain about 90% of his career and I'm still debating with myself whether or not I should make it a 101 thread and include his bad showings as well or just leave it at a respect thread and discard the bad showings for now....
I'm just trying to round off getting some final issues for sabretooth feats..
if anyone has any feats from x-factor 123-125 that would be most appreciated..
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Namor handles Venom, Venom has owned Carnage on some occasions, Carnage should take Sabretooth, Sabreooth can give Namor a good fight and POSSIBLY force it into a tiebreaker. WOW!
I wonder how Carnage fairs against Namor.
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