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what the hell are you talking about? Superman was moving at light speed in the last Superman Batman arc with the new gods. And Superman has gotten at least two powerups since the Gas station exploding incident.
As far as physical strength goes Superman is many multiples more powerful than any herald (and faster in battle too).
At least you did hit the nail on the head. Yes there is a big difference between Superman and me with Superman's powers. In these threads I assume that I am the one with the powers and abilities that's fighting.
So this is where I concede:
If Superman uses his abilities (speed) like he should (he does at least a good portion of the time though) then he wins this. If he doesn't then yes the team can win the majority (provided they don't fight dumb either).
No he is not. Superman is slightly stronger than Thor, who Firelord has proven a match for physically more than once. Terrax is on the same level of strength. This is like pitting Superman against Orion and J'onn at the same time.
Thor is much stronger than Firelord. You know that in their tussles the flames was sapping Thor's strength as said in his narrative. Even though that was the case Thor still overpowered Firelord in their tussles. So Thor overpowered Firelord in a weakened state. Thus Thor is much stronger than Firelord.
And Superman is much stronger than Thor (featwise).
Get that "Superman is slightly stronger than Thor" crap outta here.
Superman at his lowest ever would have never jobbed to Spiderman. This tells you that Firelord and Superman is on entirely different planes of physical power. And don't give me that gas station routine again. That gas station exploded with the force of a megaton bomb. Just look at the picture (KAA-BOOOOOM!). It knocked the hell out of Maxima, Doomsday, and Superman (who are all uber durable) all at the same time. This force still belittles any thing that Spiderman can do. Plus Superman wasn't koed for he never lost conscienceness. He got up without a scratch. This low showing for Superman dwarfs the showing Firelord had with Spiderman.
1. Firelord only sapped some of Thor's strength with heat in one of their fights. They were stalemating BEFORE that occured. WHILE Thor was weakening due to the flames, it was not even. Firelord was overpowering Thor and choking him to death. It took all of Thor's strength to get Firelord off of him and run away.
2. The only time Thor gained any physical advantage against Firelord was when he was mind-controlled in their third fight (this was stated as the reason). They've matched several times and in their final fight, Thor even stated he could not beat Firelord.
How anyone could come to the conclusion that Thor is noticably stronger than Firelord from their fights is beyond me.
Hooookay. Thor and Superman's feats are arguable, but if you wanna place this game, Superman is much weaker than Terrax and Beta Ray Bill feat-wise as they've both destroyed planets with physical force, while Superman's needed help moving the moon.
LOL!!!!!!!! It exploded with the force of a megaton bomb because of a sound effect???
FYI, Firelord took a similarly gigantic gas station explosion RIGHT before Spider-Man blitzed him (in the same comic, literally right before) and was unharmed.
What? It didn't do anything to Doomsday. It owned Superman and Maxima though.
If you really want to keep up with this petty crap though, I could mention how Wonder Woman, who's bled from Deathstroke's punches (the pain from which was likened to a knife cutting through her skull), has taken Superman's all out punches and continued fighting.
... Hooookay. He was lying flat on the ground with his eyes closed not moving as Doomsday walked away. Exactly what do you need to see to confirm that he lost consciousness? This KO is just as clear as Spider-Man's KO of Firelord.
Not really, since Firelord took a similar explosion WITHOUT being KTFO like Superman was right before Spider-Man speedblitzed him.
1. Beta Ray Bill and Stardust destroyed planets by physically crashing into them
2. Terrax chopped a planet in half by swinging his axe into it
Both are showings of their strength/durability. It really doesn't matter though, because writers don't analyze feats that closely. Different writers have top tiers doing what seems strong to them. Both DC and Marvel top tiers are extremely inconsistent in terms of feats, but the RANGE of inconsistency (if you compare the highest highs and the lowest lows) is very similar. It's best to pay attention to hiearchy.
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Even hiearchy gets screwed. Example, DS beats Orion like a red headed step child, and yet Orion has bested Superman on occasion and stalemated him, while superman has a more impressive victory over DS. Silver Surfer beats tenebrious and Aegis but looks a fool to thanos.
Well current Surfer is powered up and likely on Thanos' level of power, but it's true that hiearchy is all over the place. However, the difference is that in terms of hiearchy the CRAZIEST things you normally see are characters looking about twice as powerful or half as powerful as their average. When it comes to space feats, you'll have a charcter planet-busting one minute and struggling with a building the next. With hiearchy you typically deal with deviations somewhere around twofold. With environmental feats, if you look at it realistically the characters are millions of times more powerful or less powerful from issue to issue.
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