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psycho gundam
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Captain America lost to Wolverine in a fight. Most likely due to the same reasons.

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Captain America lost to Wolverine in a fight. Most likely due to the same reasons.

You really need to read up.

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You really need to read up.

Why do you say that?

"The SSS gives him the advantage without it it would probably be a draw."

This statement is complete and utter nonsense. The point of him volunteering for the experiment is b/c he was a Sub-par candidate to be a soldier.

W/o the serum I could beat him, Period. no Shield, no comic, Nothing.

Mar 12th, 2008 12:27 AM

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No not nonsense, it's a fact that Batman knows more fighting styles than Cap. And it's a fact that Batman is far more Intelligent. Batman is either the best or Second best at everything he does in the DCU. Unless Cap can channel his chi and increase his physical attributes to higher levels, Batman wins.

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Originally posted by spetznaz
It appears that even if Cap may be adept at all and sundry fighting styles, his level of adeptness is not exactly at the highest possible echelons. It seems like it is his sheer physiological component that seriously augments his skills, enabling a person with 'basic skills' but great speed and strength to beat someone that Cap himself says is a good enough martial artist to be compared to Mantis.

Thus, it does seem as if Bruce Wayne is a better martial artist (in terms of skill levels), but when it comes to the better fighter then Cap starts to gain an edge.

This reminds me of another character that Bruce faces who, even though he may not be as skilled as Bruce himself, has such a premium when it comes to strength and speed that even Batgirl found it next to impossible to 'read' him.

That is, Deathstroke.

From the scan it appears that Cap is a Deathstroke-lite ....in that even though he is quite skilled, his strength and speed basically take that level of skill and turn it into something that is nearly unstoppable. [/B]

Speaking of Deathstroke...

I find it kinda funny how Deathstroke came on the scene several months after Taskmaster.... I see Deathstroke as basically Taskmaster and Captain America in one...

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WOW!!! I sure hope you're not implying that Cap has actually defeated these people.

This is amazing, it seems as though people somehow think that Cap's artificially created Physique is the equal or better to that of Batman. Which i find hilarious .

Batman is a TRUE warrior. The man has attained a level of fitness that borders on Supernatural, a Mind as sharp as a blade and a motivation toward perfection.

I feel it an insult to compare Cap w/ his Super Soldier Serum to Batman w/ his talent and dedication. How could a man that has been hand fed his abilities and tactics even compare to one who has TRAVELED THE WORLD specifically to train himself to be able to handle any situations that he may face.

I'm sorry man but Training beats a "Silver Spoon" method every time ( assuming that the end results are the same).

I am willing to bet that Cap has never trained to the level of difficulty that Batman has, mainly because his serum doesn't require him to.

Also just because 2 people know the same style(s) doesn't mean they're equal, skill and talent and training play a HUGE role as well.

So basically, you're basing your judgement of the match based on your preference of Batman over Cap, rather than how the two actually match up right?

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W/o the serum I could beat him, Period. no Shield, no comic, Nothing.

You've never actually seen Cap in action without the SSS have you...

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No not nonsense, it's a fact that Batman knows more fighting styles than Cap.

Really, Batman knows more than "all"?

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And it's a fact that Batman is far more Intelligent.

Stephen Hawking is far more intelligent than Mike Tyson.

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Originally posted by darthgoober

You've never actually seen Cap in action without the SSS have you...

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true, but with out the serum his body is still at peak-human he simply now needs to mantain it and loses his superhuman stamina.

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Originally posted by Battlehammer
true, but with out the serum his body is still at peak-human he simply now needs to mantain it and loses his superhuman stamina.

Cap specifically noted that Crossbones was stronger than he without the SSS(third scan, last panel). That seems to indicate that without it he's loses more than just stamina.

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Originally posted by darthgoober
Cap specifically noted that Crossbones was stronger than he without the SSS(third scan, last panel). That seems to indicate that without it he's loses more than just stamina.

I could be wrong or it could have been an error by the writer.

either way I agree that mr. marvel has not idea what he talking about.

oh and did you complete the respect thread darth? And remeber to put in the section were capt was granted superhuman strength.

Mar 12th, 2008 01:17 AM

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Originally posted by Battlehammer
I could be wrong or it could have been an error by the writer.

either way I agree that mr. marvel has not idea what he talking about.

oh and did you complete the respect thread darth? And remeber to put in the section were capt was granted superhuman strength.

It wasn't a writer error, Cap actually pointed out that kind of thing a couple of times.

No I haven't finished the updated respect thread yet. I finally had to step back and take a break from doing it for a while, because it was really taking all the fun out of reading Cap's comics. So now I'm just sitting on the 3,000+ scans that I already have until I can get around to going through his last 10 years worth of appearances(I'm going through them chronologically).

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It wasn't a writer error, Cap actually pointed out that kind of thing a couple of times.

No I haven't finished the updated respect thread yet. I finally had to step back and take a break from doing it for a while, because it was really taking all the fun out of reading Cap's comics. So now I'm just sitting on the 3,000+ scans that I already have until I can get around to going through his last 10 years worth of appearances(I'm going through them chronologically).

then I was mistaken.

dam that sucks lol. well good luck with it. need any help just ask.

Mar 12th, 2008 01:45 AM

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I see that even with out SSS Cap is still peak human, I'll give u that but I still feel that Batman is a better fighter

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Originally posted by Mr Marvel
WOW!!! I sure hope you're not implying that Cap has actually defeated these people.

This is amazing, it seems as though people somehow think that Cap's artificially created Physique is the equal or better to that of Batman. Which i find hilarious .

Batman is a TRUE warrior. The man has attained a level of fitness that borders on Supernatural, a Mind as sharp as a blade and a motivation toward perfection.

I feel it an insult to compare Cap w/ his Super Soldier Serum to Batman w/ his talent and dedication. How could a man that has been hand fed his abilities and tactics even compare to one who has TRAVELED THE WORLD specifically to train himself to be able to handle any situations that he may face.

I'm sorry man but Training beats a "Silver Spoon" method every time ( assuming that the end results are the same).

I am willing to bet that Cap has never trained to the level of difficulty that Batman has, mainly because his serum doesn't require him to.

Also just because 2 people know the same style(s) doesn't mean they're equal, skill and talent and training play a HUGE role as well.

Do you dress up as Batman and pretend you're him? roll eyes (sarcastic)

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Originally posted by Battlehammer
then I was mistaken.

Don't feel bad, the boundaries of were Cap's training ends and the SSS begins is always hazy at best. Not only does he make too many appearances under too many writers for Marvel to keep the story strait, he's also gone through SEVERAL periods where he was depowered(and several more when he was powered up). But yeah most often it's acknowledged that he'd be a fair share less powerful without the SSS. Not that there were any significant difference in the way his battles were written mind you, cause even without the SSS he took down nearly the entire roster of the Serpent Society just like he always did...

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Originally posted by Battlehammer
dam that sucks lol. well good luck with it. need any help just ask.

Will do and thanks for the offer. I'll probably wait until one of the tourney's I'm in are over before I can go back to it though. Even my staggering amount of free time has its limits...

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Really, Batman knows more than "all"?

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Batman is master of all forms, that's more Robin level. cool

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Batman is master of all forms, that's more Robin level.

Yeah adept doesn't mean master, it's the same thing with what was said about Moon Knight

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Moon Knight was said to be versatlile in all martial arts as well

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Originally posted by Battlehammer
true, but with out the serum his body is still at peak-human he simply now needs to mantain it and loses his superhuman stamina.

Nope his body is not peak human. He isn't as strong for starters and all the other benefits are gone.

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