The phantom zone is a dimension. In the phantom zone, he was punching air.
Yes, he is. And his suit has nothing to do with Superman-primes strength. He wears it when he is weak. So when red star ripped it off, he got weaker. The red sun energy weakened him further.
Yet, how is that everyone sent there seems to put there hands on something like glass while looking out? Their face and body seems to press against something. So no, it's not just punching air IMO. He and Superman seemed to be punching barrier boundaries, which seemed to be pretty solid. Seeing as how their hands bled.
Exactly he gets weakened. Surfer and this team will do much more damage here. Surfer is excellent wit these types of matters and wont be getting his arm ripped off.
Phantom zone was a prison that he broke out of. Thats the difference. He had never just thrown a punch and hit air and retconned anything.
Dear God stop the SBP Wanking. He can't just alter Reality with his punches. He only did it due to specific circumstances. I understand you like SBP and want him to have this uber, retcon, reality-alternating power. But cut the crap and stop twisting the evidence to prove it
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Clearly you do not understand what Prime did. Busting out of the phantom zone the way he did is supposed to be impossible. Even PC Supes never did that. If breaking out of the phantom zone isn't reality warping, (and any knowledgable DC fan will tell you it is), then you're clearly not reading the same comic.
Now, maybe he can only retcon when he's busting a dimensional barrier. Ok. But the sheer power required to do that is monstrous. Only person in marvel who I can think of that breaks dimensional barriers with physical force, is Trion Juggernaut.
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Let's see: Teen Titans, JLA, GLC, Sin Corp, Monarch's army, various multiverse versions of the JLA and assorted teams, " " " Supermen, Monarch, Monitors, and upcoming in Legion of 3 Worlds, 3 versions of the LSH and possibly Pre-Crisis Superman.
That's got to be one of the best resumes in ass-kicking in comics.
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The point is he cant retcon reality without the phantom dimension or the paradise wall. No one is saying it isnt impressive but we are saying he cant retcon dc reality without these circumstances.
He beat the Monitors,mulitverse characters,Monarch but also was amped by a Guardian. We cant speculate what he will do in legion although I do hope he reeks havoc.
Team effort but soon as she returned his powers he left. he was powerless there as a result of the both of them but mainly Annataz as her magic depowered him.
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