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Here, explain why, at 4:14, Vader did not sense the Falcon. Also, why, at 4:20, did he not sense the other TIE barreling towards him?


Err, possibly becuase its thousands, maybe even millions of kilometers away. Or maybe becuase he was totally focused on Luke and the Falcon came out of ****in' nowhere.

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His reaction, "WHAT!!!", says it all. He was focusing on Luke, that's why his precog failed initially. Then, while surprised at the sudden attack, his precog failed to sense the TIE.


He was stunned by the Falcon coming out of nowhere and then his own team-mate tagged him. He is human you know. Plus sometimes characters act stupidly for the sake of plot.

Here's another scene for you:



Notice how he drives in the dark at 1.40. Did you know that tat's becuase all orce-sensitives subconsciously use precog? Also notice how he's the first human with the reactions to podrace ever. When he's 10(ish). no expression



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They are gonna be dealing with a wall of fiendfyre surrounding them, they are gonna be dealing with wizards EVERYWHERE at once, half apparaters casting more fiendfyre comets at them, death spells, not to mention trying to avoid being immobilized, tied up, or slowed down as if they were in a jar of molasses. Vaders precog was shot to shit by a teenage boy in an X Wing, dude. It will be far worse here, for all force users involved.


You are so full of shit its amazing you don't pee brown. You really believe that this is whats going to happen don't you? You're really that dellusional?

OK then. No, there won't be a 'wall of fiendfyre', in all likelyhood the spell will never get off the ground. Even if it did then that would just make it more difficult for teh wizards to aim spells at them. No they won't, wizards have NEVER used apparition in a combat scenario or to the degree of skill that you give them. No they won't. You knwo that the Jedi aren't just going to sit there and take it right? You do realise also that Vader can kill about 1 wizard every 1-2 seconds? Thats Luke frickin' Skywalker in an X-Wing you mean. Big difference.

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Aaaaaahahahahaha denial much? Who cast it? BTW, at the end of the second vid we can SEE them enter the burrow, cast fiendfyre, and exit the other side.


We've had this discussion before. No you don't. You see explosions, not fiendfyre.

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And the Clones would be able to track a death eater apparating. Riiiiiiiiiiight......AND fight fiendfyre, that can be cast from hundreds of feet above them. Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.


Apparating is not as good as you wank it to be. A single shot moves faster, can be used faster and has longer range than your vaunted Fiendfyre.

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"A Single clone can take Voldemort" LOL of the decade, bro.


Voldemort does not have bullet-time reactions. The movies would be alot shorter if one person just aimed a damn gun at him and pulled the trigger.

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Stronger than ever? Prove that.


The darkside clouds the Jedi's powers including precog throughout the movies, directly performed by Sidious in some way. With him on their side this is no longer a factor.

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Dude, it is RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE of the screen. They fly into the burrow, it bursts into flames, then they fly out the other side.

Prove it was a spell? What, you think Bellatrix accio'd a Navy SEAL armed with a flamethrower? Grasp the obvious.


I don't want to have this discussion again. I didn't even want to post in this f'ing topic btw. Think yourself lucky you've got me to post this much.


edit: Its late, so I excuse my shitty spelling.


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No, I am arguing that it will be a team effort on both parts. I am arguing that with all the shit going on at once, the precog will be ineffective. Like a pinball machine going TILT.

BTW, it took one boy in an X Wing to ruin Vaders precog yes


Because precog fails more times than it works, obviously, how stupid of me.

Just curious how you see this playing out, after all the Jedi/Sith are dead, which of this wizards from your list is still standing?


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Err, possibly becuase its thousands, maybe even millions of kilometers away. Or maybe becuase he was totally focused on Luke and the Falcon came out of ****in' nowhere.



He was stunned by the Falcon coming out of nowhere and then his own team-mate tagged him. He is human you know. Plus sometimes characters act stupidly for the sake of plot.
Wait, I thought the force was EVERYWHERE...I thought Vader did not need to SEE someone to sense them......

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Here's another scene for you:



Notice how he drives in the dark at 1.40. Did you know that tat's becuase all orce-sensitives subconsciously use precog? Also notice how he's the first human with the reactions to podrace ever. When he's 10(ish). no expression
Also because he raced the course so often that he knew it like the back of his hand.





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You are so full of shit its amazing you don't pee brown. You really believe that this is whats going to happen don't you? You're really that dellusional?

OK the. No, there won't be a 'wall of fiendfyre', in all likelyhood the spell will never get off the ground. Even if it did then that would just make it more difficult for teh wizards to aim spells at them. No they won't, wizards have NEVER used apparition in a combat scenario or to the degree of skill that you give them. No they won't. You knwo that the Jedi aren't just going to sit there and take it right? You do realise also that Vader can kill about 1 wizard every 1-2 seconds? Thats Luke frickin' Skywalker in an X-Wing you mean. Big difference.
No, in all likelihood, the wizards will be apparating around so fast that the force users wont be able to track them. The fiendfyre will be cast with ease, from hundreds of feet away. It will, and I quote, "Hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights."



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We've had this discussion before. No you don't. You see explosions, not fiendfyre.
And what caused the explosions? Molly leave the gas on?

FIENDFYRE.



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Apparating is not as good as you wank it to be. A single shot moves faster, can be used faster and has longer range than your vaunted Fiendfyre.
Apparating is an instantaneous way to travel from point A to B. Thats pretty uber, thats faster than Superman.



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Voldemort does not have bullet-time reactions. The movies would be alot shorter if one person just aimed a damn gun at him and pulled the trigger.
Never happen, he'd apparate away and death spell them.



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The darkside clouds the Jedi's powers including precog throughout the movies, directly performed by Sidious in some way. With him on they're side this is no longer a factor.
AND a teenager in an X Wing.



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I don't want to have this discussion again. I didn't even want to post in this f'ing topic btw. Think yourself lucky you've got me to post this much.
Then dont post. Accept that wizards are superior to force users in every imaginable way.


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Because precog fails more times than it works, obviously, how stupid of me.

Just curious how you see this playing out, after all the Jedi/Sith are dead, which of this wizards from your list is still standing?
Honestly?

The non apparaters are the most likely to die. Harry likely survives, Ginny and Hermione? questionable.

Voldy and Dumbles clear for sure.

Probably half the death eaters go down due to being overzealous.

The OOTP members likely all make it.


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Accept that wizards are superior to force users in every imaginable way.


No, you're clearly not a rabid Potter fanboy, not you.


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No, you're clearly not a rabid Potter fanboy, not you.


Can a force user teleport? Nope.

Can a force user kill someone in a millisecond with their powers? Nope.

Can a force user become immortal? Nope.

Can a force user fly? Nope.

Can a force user heal wounds instantly? Nope.

Can a force user possess people? Nope.


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Wait, I thought the force was EVERYWHERE...I thought Vader did not need to SEE someone to sense them......


You're practically trolling now.....

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Also because he raced the course so often that he knew it like the back of his hand.


Errm, no. I have no idea what gives you that impression. no expression

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No, in all likelihood, the wizards will be apparating around so fast that the force users wont be able to track them.


Bull. Shit. To explain why thats bullshit, heres a something I made earlier:

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On the flip-side, the wizards will have to take in their surroundings, pick a spot they'd like to apparate too and then apparate, all while possibly having to defend themselves and make sure they know whats going on arround them. By the time they do that (having inferior reactions and speed and lacking precog), they'll most likely be dead.

And btw, Jedi don't conscously act and react, they let the Force flow through them and guide them through the actions. Its all there in the movies.


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The fiendfyre will be cast with ease, from hundreds of feet away.


Aren't they in a prison? How much room did you give them exactly? Also, no.

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Apparating is an instantaneous way to travel from point A to B. Thats pretty uber, thats faster than Superman.


Except Superman doesn't have to deal with everything above. Also, prove its instantaneous, your previous links didn't work.

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AND a teenager in an X Wing.


I fail to see reason behind these words. Wth?

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Then dont post. Accept that wizards are superior to force users in every imaginable way.


Does that include the EU way. smile Y'know, in which Jedi are so fast they're blurs of light, so fast they appear to have dozens of arms at once, so fast their sheer speed kills nearby stormtroopers. So strong they can tear through steel with their bare hands. So powerful they can disintegrate metal in a millisecond, vaporise flesh, so powerful they can obliterate entire planets, ENTIRE SOLARSYSTEMS. Live for thousands of years. Including that?

If you mean in terms of just the movies then idk, maybe. *shrug*

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Can a force user kill someone in a millisecond with their powers? Nope.


Its actually 3 seconds..... I counted.


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Because, you know, a wizard can do anything a force user can do. And better.


Can they effectively wield a lightsabre without cutting off their own noses?

Like I said, Potter fanboyism, but now it's reaching clown-shoe levels.


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Can they effectively wield a lightsabre without cutting off their own noses?

Like I said, Potter fanboyism, but now it's reaching clown-shoe levels.
That's the one exception, this is why I said POWERS.

Everything else? Wizards do better.


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That's the one exception, this is why I said POWERS.

Everything else? Wizards do better.



Um, no. You said a wizard is "superior in every imaginable way" and " a wizard can do anything a force user can do. And better."

Have fun trolling, I'm out.


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coughRogue Jedicough

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Edit2: coughNo offence meantcough.


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They all wear weird looking robes, if that means anything.


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coughRogue Jedicough

Edit: That picture is perfect....

Edit2: coughNo offence meantcough.
None taken, you don't have what it takes to offend me.

I'm not trolling. Big difference between pwning and trolling.


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The difference, only in your mind is.


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The difference, only in your mind is.
In my mind, in my posts, in the screen feats I used, in the comparison between Wizard powers and Jedi/Sith powers.


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Aaaaaahahahaaha


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Instant my ass. The Force doesn't need any words to make it work, a wave of a finger and the wizards disarmed. And then its rapein' time.


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Watch the Half Blood Prince. It's instant when they are full apparating. When half apparating, they land in a cloud of smoke.

Fred and George Weasley apparated instantly in OOTP.

A mere thought and the wizard can go anywhere. Anywhere at all. Cant disarm someone if you cant see them. Besides, if they are disarmed, a simple Accio spell rearms them.


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They appear instantly, we don't know they disappear instantly. In fact if this vids any proof, they don't:



Real-time one is here at 1.50: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDsp_hvJ7NA We only have a very strange, surreal image of this that is next to useless for speed, and frankly it really doesn't look like a process that wizards can rapid fire. Waaay too disorientating. And they can't go anywhere, they have to know where they're going first and they don't have extra-sensory means of perspective to utilise and they haven't displayed Nightcrawler-esque abilities and skill to rapid-port either..

Accio can't be used without a wand.


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They appear instantly, we don't know they disappear instantly. In fact if this vids any proof, they don't:



Real-time one is here at 1.50: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDsp_hvJ7NA We only have a very strange, surreal image of this that is next to useless for speed, and frankly it really doesn't look like a process that wizards can rapid fire. Waaay too disorientating. And they can't go anywhere, they have to know where they're going first and they don't have extra-sensory means of perspective to utilise.

Accio can't be used without a wand.


I think you misunderstood me, I was talking about the travel time between point A and point B being instant.

With 30 minutes prep time, the wizards will be able to get a lay of the land and apparate anywhere they wish. Even with no prep time, they look at where they wanna go, think it, then POOF they are gone.

And apparating varied in the HP movies, sometimes the wizard was gone like that, sometimes it took half a second. I am using high end feats here.

Still, half a second to be in one place, then another, anywhere in the world, that's more than enough. A force user catches a wizard in a force pull from twenty or so feet away, it takes a few seconds to actually pull them over. The wizard will be long gone before that. Same with force choke, it takes at least 15ish seconds to kill. Same with force lightning, it would take a least a minute or so to kill a wizard with it. Force choke/lightning is never shown killing in an instant, or even a few seconds, it takes time.

Rapid apparating is not necessary, why would the wizards need it? With all of them apparating all over, all at once, it certainly will appear as if they are rapid porting.


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