This is where you direct us to a clip where they do that.
Wait, only one person did that: Dooku.
I know, right? Silly that you guys thought to use it.
No, what I said.
Right, cause that would be their first reaction, right? Wrong. That would not be their first reaction. See my other point.
This is Star Wars versus Cullen Twivamps.
Not: "What would ares834 do if He had Force Powers vs. The Cullens."
If you want that thread, you can make it in the OTF. I'd participate in it, seriously.
Edit - So, I need you guys to show me how much force is needed to crush a rock that is as hard as granite, and is solid. Please provide that. I know that the force required is astounding, already, and it far greater than even EU Mace Windu can do.
To assume that the vampires are just going to walk out of a force-hold as if it didn't exist is nonsense, especially one from one of the stronger Jedi. eg Yoda picked up and moved an X-Wing. So while they might possibly be able to overcome a force-hold, it will slow them down in the process; using Jedi precog, it's just a matter of 'seeing' this and lifting them up, thereby negating any forward momentum they might have.
As far as the 'can the Jedi/Sith crush solid marble?' They're marble-like, but they're also malleable and flexible, but also seem to crack and snap like they're solid, odd thing. Then there's the fact that most/all of the vampires are thin and frail looking, ie the Jedi would only have to crush/shatter a thin marble statue, would be a better comparison. You swinging a 2lbs hammer could make rubble out of a marble statue of that shape and size.
When Vader was screaming "NO!!!!" near the end of ROTS, he crushed durasteel droids and lots of the medical equipment, as well as possibly the whole base, and he wasn't even directing it at them.
Yoda in AOTC (since for some reason the movies vs forums rules doesn't allow EU content, even canon content, including ones that directly tie in with the movies) used the Force to stop a giant pillar thing. Therefore, Jedi can obviously move a vampire, unless if you are claiming that Twilight vampires weigh more than giant durasteel pillars.
Yoda in ROTS stopped a senate pod that was coming down at him at high speeds, put a spin to it and then threw it back UP what was probably several hundred feet. He also jumps across senate pods and avoids senate pods being thrown down at him.
Oh, and in ROTS Yoda and Obi Wan easily pwned a bunch of space age clone troopers raised from birth to fight, AND they were fighting the 501st (I think, from what I remember), which was trained specifically for Order 66 AND were the elite of the elite of the GAR. Yoda was shown Force pushing multiple clone troopers at once while both he and Obi Wan were deflecting blaster bolts from multiple angles.
Yoda in ANH lifted an X-wing.
Again:
Jedi turn on lightsabers
Jedi Force pull vampires onto the Jedi's lightsaber
Jedi win
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Oh, you're right about crushing some droids. But there is absolutely nothing in the movie that indicated they are durasteel.
And, if that was durasteel, it's barely stronger than lead because Obi-Wan easily bent some durasteel when he opened up Grievous's chest plates without a problem.
Besides, durasteel does not exist in the movies.
Not at all. I've already hinted at that being the absolute limit to a Jedi considering Yoda is pretty damn strong in the force. I'd put that Pillar at several tons. It took him a bit and lots of strength to move that pillar...much too long for a vampire that has more tons of force than the force Yoda had to apply to stop the pillar. Keep in mind, a twivamp treats a vehicle, at speed, like piece of styrofoam.
Right...but how is that going to help him against an opponent that can smack around a senate pod like it's styrofoam, can move far faster than any character in the Star Wars films, and can read his every thought? (Edward is who I'm speaking of, of course.)
Clone troopers <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< any twilight vamp.
That's a very power example.
One vampire could take out the entire 501st, alone.
Very very slowly. And an X-wing is several tons...something a twivamp to move very quickly with just one arm.
If a Jedi force pulled a twivamp towards themselves, they'd end up dead.
It wouldn't matter since they vamp would come anyway. The Jedi would be dead long before they even thought to use the force.
A Twivamp can quickly move the same amount of weight, if not more, far faster than Yoda did.
It's like comparing a child to Pudzianowski.
I agree that it could slow them down, though. Just a little and it would be negligible.
They are granite-like. Not like Marble. That's Rice vamps.
That same "frail-like marble" is also bullet-proof...something a marble statue is not.
So while everyone would like the twivamps to lose because it's popular to hate twivamps, there's not comparison as they'd massacre just about any creature or organism from any movie people can think of.
It was fun to hate the Wizard, but I guess it's twilight's turn to get it's far share of hate.
The only problem is no Jedi can move fast enough to even strike a twivamp. If there were 500 Jedi-knight level Jedi's, all bunched together, they'd still all go down with no twilight vampires losing a single person. The problem is: not one Jedi can move even remotely fast enough to keep up with a vamp. The twilight vamps looks like the flash....when they are in slow-motion. That's just absurd. How can anyone but another vamp stand up against that? (I'd put Dr. Manhattan against them, with an easy victory, of course.)
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Instead of posting like that, actually prove that a Jedi can stop many tons of force with their force abilities (the same object needs to be moving so fast that it's a blur, btw).
Force hold leads to Force pull. They'll be suspended in midair.
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Wait, Rob already covered this.
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The droids were made out of metal, and the main form of metal used in SW is durasteel.
Obi Wan was using Force enhanced strength.
Of course durasteel exists in the movies. You see it multiple times.
No offense, but this is an example of misinformation on your part. What is this with "absolute limit"? Yoda is probably the most powerful Jedi in history up to that point, but nothing says that he's the "absolute limit", especially since in the EU (which you seem to ignore) Luke and Sidious end up surpassing Yoda.
And what are you talking about? A vampire from Twilight weighs far less than a giant pillar.
That's not the point. If Yoda can stop a senate pod coming down onto him (note that Yoda had been fighting against the most powerful sith lord of all time for several minutes) at full speed, he can stop a vampire charging at him.
Actually, although in most cases that might be true, one direct hit to, say, the head from a full powered DC15 and a Twilight vampire's down.
Are you serious? One vampire from Twilight could take out 10,000 of the most elite soldiers the galaxy has ever seen, armed with weapons that have ranges of 10 kilometers and can create a half a meter hole in the SW version of concrete, and with armor complete with advanced, space age material and sensory devices, not to mention the support tanks, artillery, walkers, etc.?
That's not the point. The point is that Jedi would be able to Force hold the Twilight vampires before the vampires get close. The vampires have no effective defense against the Force.
How?
What? The Jedi can react fast enough to deflect blaster bolts coming from multiple angles and often times predict the future.
I don't mean to offend you, but in this thread a lot of you are really not getting it. The Twilight vampires CAN'T STOP THE FORCE!!!! You can say all you want about them being uber strong physically, but that doesn't mean much when they're immobilized by the Force. Nor can the vampires do anything effective about a Jedi's lightsaber.
A vampire lunges at a Jedi.
The Jedi slashes at the vampire.
The vampire falls down, dead or severely injured.
Although I respect your opinion, saying stuff such as "omg the vampires can walk through a Force push like it was nothing!!!!" is absolute nonsense.
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What's so damn hard to understand? If the Jedi precog works properly here, they will know where each Twivamp will be attacking from. One lightsaber swipe, then a force push into lava, end of Twivamp.
Or Dooku can just force grab them and throw them into the lava.
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Not exactly sure where you're getting this strength level from the vampires (not saying you're lying, not a Twilight master), we've got Edward stopping a van with his hand and then pushing a tree over, both very impressive, but nothing Yoda couldn't do and in spades via the Force.
My bad, meant granite; said marble instead. Bullet-proof as in they sustain zero damage form gun fire or gun fire would cause some damage (as in against a granite slab), but mostly negligible? Something from the movies to back either up would be great.
I've seen various fight-clips, when they fight, they seem to move fast, but definitely slow down when fighting/exchanging blows. Saw a clip from Eclipse, the werewolves fighting vampires; there was no "blurring" speeds. Seems very inconsistent.
If you think my argument is based on "twilight hate", you're mistaken. It's a retarded franchise, but that's not factoring in.
Jedi can anticipate and block baster-fire. Are you saying that a vampire could charge and attack a Jedi far faster than this? If so, proof?
Please explain to me a power that the vampires have that allows them to resist the Force. To my knowledge, they don't.
The Jedi turn on their lightsabers.
The Jedi Force pull (which the vampires cannot block) the vampires.
The Jedi impale the vampires.
The Jedi win.
Common argument for Twilight vampires:
"Twilight vampires can resist the Force" - untrue. They themselves don't even know about the Force.
"Twilight vampires are faster" - debatable. Jedi are pretty darn fast as well, especially if you were to factor in the CANON EU sources in which Jedi sometimes moves faster than the eye, even a Force sensitive eye, can detect. Either way, the vampires can't move fast enough to avoid being Force TK'd.
"Twilight vampires are stronger" - Maybe in pure physical strength, but not compared to a Jedi's Force TK abilities.
"Twilight vampires have better pre cog" - debatable, but either way the Jedi will simply Force TK them.
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No offense, but Yoda was straining his ass off to barely move the X-wing...you obviously didn't watch the film.
And magically, all Star Wars characters pick up all of the Twilight characters. Wait, they don't.
That's not the point. You just ignored everything I said.
A thrown senate pod is not going to exert nearly the force as a vampire is.
Besides, Yoda was struggling to stop the pods.
Anyway, Edward can hear every thought and avoid everything and every tactic.
Actually, the vampire wouldn't be down and the blaster would be lucky to vaporize a couple of milimeters of a twivamps skin.
Even if it did punch a hole, which wouldn't happen, it would kill a vamp. It would just regen.
Absolutely, and then some.
Except the fact that the Vampires are much too fast and strong for the force to be much of a factor.
Because they are far faster and far stronger than a Jedi. Pulling it closer would end up in their death.
They'd swing, hit nothing but air, and have a hole punched through their head.
And those same blaster bolts, coming form one direction, are enough to take down even a Jedi master. Thanks for proving my point.
1000 troopers could all surround one vampire and they would all end up dead and hit absolutely nothing. One Jedi against 20 troopers ends up dead, even if they are a master.
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The problem is: not one Jedi can move even remotely fast enough to keep up with a vamp. The twilight vamps looks like the flash....when they are in slow-motion. That's just absurd. How can anyone but another vamp stand up against that? (I'd put Dr. Manhattan against them, with an easy victory, of course.)
