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I believe that the intention of writers when dealing with Golden Prime was representative as a god of the absolute good that superman has generally represented. His decisions to generally not to interfere with the workings of the universe sans his power granting was his idea of not taking a sledgehammer to open heart surgery. I think that Golden Prime could have quite honestly did everything all the other heroes did on his own but came to realize that his interference was not necessarily a positive one due to the fact that a dependence would be placed on him for the continued existence of the universe and as such refused to use his powers until it became an absolute necessity despite the fact that through giving into more selfish desires he could have had Lois and Krypton back on a whim.

Golden Prime is the epitome of what superman strove for. Simply by sitting on the sideline he allowed the superman dynasty and the various heroes to reach potentials they would not have been able to reach had he babied them through everything. He accomplished his mission of making the peoples of the universe grow as individuals without directly exerting his will which in my book would be the ultimate victory for Supes.


thumb up I always thought he became the supreme being of his universe. This is why he says Welcome to my Universe.

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Golden Prime had not yet returned to earth when the Superman Dynasty gained Imp-esque abilities. Therefore, we cannot assume he has them (needing an Imps help to resurrect Lois is proof enough of that.)


Golden Super Man empowers all the others (including those with 5D Imp abilities). Therefore he must have Imp powers himself or else it wouldn't make sense.

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Golden Super Man empowers all the others (including those with 5D Imp abilities). Therefore he must have Imp powers himself or else it wouldn't make sense.


No. They got the 5D powers after Superman went into the sun. Someone from Supermans bloodline got children with an 5D imp, and that's why the new Generation has 5D powers while Superman Prime has not.


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No. They got the 5D powers after Superman went into the sun. Someone from Supermans bloodline got children with an 5D imp, and that's why the new Generation has 5D powers while Superman Prime has not.
wouldnt make any sense if he wasn't more powerful than the imp ability supermen. 5D beings have funky perceptions IMO and considering they considered Golden Prime superior I'd have to say that he has some kind of ace that puts him over 5d Imps.

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wouldnt make any sense if he wasn't more powerful than the imp ability supermen. 5D beings have funky perceptions IMO and considering they considered Golden Prime superior I'd have to say that he has some kind of ace that puts him over 5d Imps.

I never said he isn't more powerful. IMO he is beyond Galactus but that's just my opinion. He has just no imp powers, though he is more powerful then them, at least imo.


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I never said he isn't more powerful. IMO he is beyond Galactus but that's just my opinion. He has just no imp powers, though he is more powerful then them, at least imo.
but really to take an imp in a legitimate straight fight you really do need some high end reality bending.

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wouldnt make any sense if he wasn't more powerful than the imp ability supermen. 5D beings have funky perceptions IMO and considering they considered Golden Prime superior I'd have to say that he has some kind of ace that puts him over 5d Imps.
Eh, it seems like you are trying to imply that the members of the Superman Dynasty are = 5th dimensional imps. That couldn't be more incorrect.

The Dynasty was only endowed with 10 imp-like senses when Superman of the 67th century married the imp Queen - and the Supermen thereafter certainly didn't become equal to imps just by gaining 10 new senses.


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Prime punches him into hell.

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Eh, it seems like you are trying to imply that the members of the Superman Dynasty are = 5th dimensional imps. That couldn't be more incorrect.

The Dynasty was only endowed with 10 imp-like senses when Superman of the 67th century married the imp Queen - and the Supermen thereafter certainly didn't become equal to imps just by gaining 10 new senses.
not exactly equal but certainly the senses help, considering imp abilities to an extent come from their more advanced senses and ability to perceive the universe IIRC from the techno imp stand point (not mystical nonsense).

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not exactly equal but certainly the senses help, considering imp abilities to an extent come from their more advanced senses and ability to perceive the universe IIRC from the techno imp stand point (not mystical nonsense).
The senses helped make the Supermen more powerful. They didn't boost their powers to imp-level, though.


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The senses helped make the Supermen more powerful. They didn't boost their powers to imp-level, though.
I didn't mean to imply that they were imp level just that the imp senses made them that much more uber and they were conceding to Golden Prime hands down. I'd say that he should have been at least imp level.

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I didn't mean to imply that they were imp level just that the imp senses made them that much more uber and they were conceding to Golden Prime hands down. I'd say that he should have been at least imp level.
There is no reason to think that Goldie Prime was beyond Galactus-level... And even that is a stretch. In fact, needing an imp's help to resurrect Lois is pretty solid proof that he did not possess abstract-esque power.


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I believe that the intention of writers when dealing with Golden Prime was representative as a god of the absolute good that superman has generally represented. His decisions to generally not to interfere with the workings of the universe sans his power granting was his idea of not taking a sledgehammer to open heart surgery. I think that Golden Prime could have quite honestly did everything all the other heroes did on his own but came to realize that his interference was not necessarily a positive one due to the fact that a dependence would be placed on him for the continued existence of the universe and as such refused to use his powers until it became an absolute necessity despite the fact that through giving into more selfish desires he could have had Lois and Krypton back on a whim.

Golden Prime is the epitome of what superman strove for. Simply by sitting on the sideline he allowed the superman dynasty and the various heroes to reach potentials they would not have been able to reach had he babied them through everything. He accomplished his mission of making the peoples of the universe grow as individuals without directly exerting his will which in my book would be the ultimate victory for Supes.
uhuh, but so do you feel he was an abstract level being? how would you compare him to galactus for instance?

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uhuh, but so do you feel he was an abstract level being? how would you compare him to galactus for instance?
honestly I feel he was intended to be. As a character on a cosmic scale as an abstract he would be the Good to the abstract of Evil and Neutrality imo. Btw I'm just going by how I think the writers intended him to be. He has nothing to show for it so it's all a matter of opinion. I think he deliberately held back and could have solo'd the series but it would have defeated the purpose of superman being the absolute force of good if he had solved all the problems and done everything on his own. I personally think he could have rezzed krypton and Lois but was patient and waited for others to have the ability so they could stand on their own without needing him.

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