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Originally posted by Nihilist
Yeah like thats gonna do anything to beat Thanos, seriously

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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Did LOM say Surfer would be moving like the Runner with the SG... BWAHHHAHAHAHAHAHA.... Please show me ANY scans of surfer moving in such ways.. if not... your point has made null and void.

Furthermore, it appears reading comprehension isn't your strong suit eh LOM? Did you happen to read PR's post on what CISless means? It seems you didn't, or again, didn't comprehend it. CISless DOESN'T mean they fight how we want them to fight with no basis in comic book history. It simple means they won't hold back and worry about things such as people dying...stuff (building or even the planet itself) being destroyed. They don't hold back. Problem is, we've seen a NON holding back Surfer putting all he could into a blast at Thanos. Thanos took it, didn't flinch or budge and simply smirked and asked if he was done yet.

Surfer has zero chance to beat Thanos one v one in any situation. Marvel has made this abundantly clear. No amount of fantasy control of a character (not supported by comics or this forum) changes that fact.

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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
[B]BFR for the win!

Afterall, the OP didnt exclude winning in this fashion...

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Surfer could perform the same tactic, but use transmutation instead; systematically turn everything around Thanos...his tech, costume, and immediate surroundings...into anti-matter and nuke Thanos to kingdom-come.

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Just like in the black hole senario, Thanos really has no defense for this and cant even fight back against what is being done to him...

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Once again, Thanos cant beat a CIS-less Surfer...

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Originally posted by Nihilist
BFR LOL against a guy that teleport across timelines and dimensions.

Anti matter wont do shit against him unless he i in a weakend state.

Apart from teleport out, which he did when he encountered a black hole, a black hole far beyond anything Surfer has done in terms of scope and power


Apart from the same way he always does, face it CIS less Surfer still cant beat Thanos let alone a CIS less Thanos.

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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
There is no PIS in a forum fight; combined with you stating no CIS, I definitely believe that frees the Surfer to use his powers in any creative manner needed to secure a win against Thanos...

In a comicbook Thanos beats the Surfer, but comicbooks are litered with PIS as well arent they?

Here we have neither PIS or CIS in this thread; with those elements turned off, Surfer vs Thanos is totally new ballgame...

And its a ballgame that Thanos cannot win...

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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So you're going against what we have seen in comics AND ignore the rules of what CIS means on this forum. To then, make up your own fantasy scenerio on how the fight would play out ignoring all of the above. Okay, well I'm glad you conceded he can't win via comic books and how we debate on this forum, and can only win, via the fantasy in your head.

BTW, don't think I didn't notice you not being to show ANY scans of Surfer fighting like the Runner nor fighting hw you'd like him to fight here. Concession accepted on that note as well.

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Originally posted by Raoul

Clarification of CIS

Ok people, here are the finalised rules as regards PIS, CIS, and everything related to it.

PIS is, as always, off unless the thread starter says it's ON.

CIS, as was said before, is now a more diverse term, but is not as vague as before.

While CIS still exists in the form of characters like Rhino (who are just too stupid to know better), it also exists in one other form.

This is known as Character Inhibited Power. This applies to characters that have intelligence, like the Silver Surfer, Superman, and so on and so forth.

As Bada said:

"It's a self imposed limitation in certain circumstances which there is concern for civilians and buildings for the most part. It's not stupidity, it's a limitation set until the threat exceeds a certain threshold."

What this means is that people like the Surfer and Superman and so on will not use the full extent of their powers if it will endanger civilians. It doesn't, though, mean they will fight like idiots. The character's personality is an integral part of the match and dictates how they will perform. This is the crux of the rules we've come up with. It doesn't come down to powers, it comes down to the man or woman that weilds them.

In accordance with this, several factors come in to play in debates:

The Opponent, Basic Information, the Arena and the Character's Personality and Experience

Those four are key.

Example:

If Martian Manhunter fights say, Juggernaut.

MM doesn't personally know Juggernaut (Opponent). So he has Basic Information. This is categorised as being what the general public would know about the Juggernaut. It goes by averages. If that average man or woman on the street knows that Juggernaut is super strong, then MM knows. The average man or woman doesn't know, however, that the Juggernaut is weak against psionics. J'onn would approach with caution, not knowing whether Juggernaut was in his weight class, and not knowing the full extent of the man's powers.

However. If Martian Manhunter went up against Amazo, he would know to go for broke right at the start, because he KNOWS Amazo (Personality and Experience). He will use his speed, his strength, his shapeshifting. This is because if he knows what it takes to bring down Amazo, or he believes his standard attacks won't work. If J'onn was fighting Juggernaut, there would come a point when he would realise that normal attacks won't work, and would up his game. Any character that doesn't suffer from Rhino-esque stupidity is capable of this. Even with this, though, the Arena comes in to play. If civilians are in danger, J'onn won't shapeshift in to a fire breathing dragon. Juggernaut on the other hand doesn't care, so wouldn't hesitate to toss cars and trucks full of civilians at the Martian.

Examples:

Thor knows he can't out-brawl Hulk, so uses exotic powers sooner than he would against the likes of Superman, as Superman is an unknown to him.

Superman would go all out against Doomsday or Despero because he knows how powerful they are. Against the Hulk, he's going to take a few punches before realising he'll have to use something rather than slugging it out. He won't bathe the street in heat vision either, because there are civilians nearby.

It ALL comes down to the CHARACTER, not the POWERSET.

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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Even if the anti-matter doesnt do any real harm to him (which I seriously doubt; anti-matter explosions are incredibly destructive and Thanos is not invulnerable), the Surfer would atleast be scoring points on Thanos while Thanos would remain unable to really fight back...

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As pertains the black hole, the size of one ceases to matter once you cross the event horizon as anything passing this boundary eventually hits the sigularity...

And yeah, the black hole wont kill Thanos, but it'll keep him out of the fight long enough for it to count as a win in favor of the Surfer...

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Thanos cant beat a CIS-less Surfer (let alone a CIS-less Surfer and a CIS-less Thor combined) as a result...

A CIS-less Thanos is a nonfactor; Thanos typically doesnt hold back and rarely fails to properly use his powerset anyway..

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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Excellent reply Pr!

So minus PIS and CIS, there is nothing "inhibiting" the Surfer from speedblitzing Thanos just like the Runner did..

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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Can I see ANY proof of surfer fighting like the Runner please.. AGAIN? Any proof again? None. Concession accepted.

You do realize, with a mere gesture, thanos can drain Surfer's life force, just like he can restore it. Game over, by a mere gesture.

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Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
Excellent reply Pr!

So minus PIS and CIS, there is nothing "inhibiting" the Surfer from speedblitzing Thanos just like the Runner did..

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Originally posted by quanchi112
Except Thanos' shields.

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Originally posted by h1a8
Which crumbles after time.

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Team imo.

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're right Quan, obviously that was a lie and I really think this is a stomp in Thanos' favor.