Energy blasts and blunt force trauma aren't the same thing.
I didn't claim they were human but rather about human level. The writer purposely brought up the term billion billion beings in a boast to convince the reader that mangog had the power of a billion billion human level beings. If the beings were far superior to humans then the writer would have told us so. Even if he had the power of a billion billion average Asgardians then Superman is still stronger.
It was the writer's intent. Don't argue with me, argue with him.
If the billion billion beings wasn't about human level then the writer would have said so. The fact that he's trying to appeal to the reader without deception says that the beings are human level.
Even with the average Asgardian's strength (class 40 I think) then Superman is still stronger than a billion billion of them.
@H1 no one takes you seriously. I mean when they ask you to back up a claim you even admit you've only seen one scan about the said character. You don't know enough about anyone and just make stuff up and act like that's debating. It isn't.
And he still can't provide a single measly scan of SA Mangog being knocked out physically.While I provided scans of why Superman doesn't stand a chance in hell defeating SA Mangog.
What's 40 tons times a billion billion? The answer is 4 x 10^19 tons. Guess how much an Earth weight is. It is 6.6 x 10^21 tons. This 164 times more. Guess how many Earth weights Superman can exert? More than 80. This is more than 13000 times more.
Mangog has the power of a billion billion beings. Even if these are average asgardian beings then Superman has the power to still hurt Mangog.
Your computation concerning the weight of the Earth, compared to the hypothetical strength of the previous race of Mangog is meaningless.
Even if we had any other number besides a billion billion, your deduction means nothing, since Superman has been defeated by opponents that didn't have, or need the kind of strength you are talking about.
Regardless of Superman's strength, you are only proving that he can be felled by lesser opponents.
You are shooting yourself in the foot. Cease and desist.
Concerning Mangog's race:
They were beyond the Asgardians. They were, most probably superior to the Asgardians Physically, Technologically and possibly Magically, since the ploy of combining them all into one being was the only chance Asgard had. (as per Odin)
Whoever they were, Odin felt that this was his only chance and if they got past Asgard, it would have continued with no stopping them.
They had "brought death to thousands of galaxies". (Canonical)
I asked you to post proof or scan to prove your opinion/claim that SA Mangog can be defeated by physical means.Otherwise it becomes nothing more then hearsay.Hearsay aren't accepted in debates as facts.You can say "Superman will beat SA Mangog etc,etc, and etc" but trying to prove this sentence is another.If you don't have any proof whatsoever, then just concede to the fact that Superman doesn't have any means of defeating SA Mangog.
The fact Odin was the key to stopping SA Mangog's first rampage.And in SA Mangog's second rampage, Odin died just to cut off SA Mangog's power source in order for Thor to finally beat Mangog.Superman doesn't have the power to do what Odin did.Hence SA Mangog=Death Of Superman again.
Oh I know humor when I seen it, has it been anyone else I would've just laugh it off like gogo's theory that thor is thousands of time stronger than superman. The problem is that carver has been corrected on this topic several times by me alone in my short time here. There was no humor in it, its typical carver lowballing.
I gave proof. The proof is that the writer gave the limit of a billion billion beings.
You even said yourself that Galactus could physically harm Mangog. Where's your proof?
This is Superman's strength at his best and at his worst.
No, the writer's intention was that the billion billion beings were billion billion human level beings. Otherwise, the writer would have stated differently.
Out of context, but going to reply to this comment anyway:
Not necessarily. Superman's strength has, on many occasions, been shown to be > his durability. Yes, it doesn't make sense, but he flies without wings, so it doesn't really have to.
Superman's rogues gallery, in terms of physical strength, do possess the ability to cause damage on a planetery level for the most part, so do have the ability to hurt him.
Every hero gets felled by lesser opponents; it's called PIS.
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