Not a chance, you can barely read based on your complete misinterpretation of multiple comics.
DC has 52 Universes. Snyder has made recent additions such as the Dark Multiverse, but the MU proper is larger than the main DC. At this point, it doesn't matter though, infinite is infinite. By definition, you cannot differentiate between the two.
I give PR Beyonder the advantage because Team 1 has yet to show anything as impressive in terms of power and was consistently beyond the Marvel Cosmological structure from Eternity to the LT. I'm sure you disagree.
1. I'm not sure where that SMS conversation is from, or who's participating. But it doesn't matter, because the comics explicitly extrapolates the fifth and sixth dimension from the four of space and time.
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Like I've said, there's no room for debate on this unless you have recently published works link the Dark Metal series.
2. You're wrong. This scene follows immediately from the scene I posted, where the four dimensions are explained to be space and time. He's not talking about the gods or the Monitor Sphere. Here's the full scene.
4. Wildstorm was never canon to the DC Universe. You have cameos, because DC bought Wildstorm. But it's still a separate canon.
5. It doesn't matter whether they're "Platonic or archtypical" it still exists within the four dimensions of time and space as Mr. Mxyztplk explained above.
6. Yes, but that's from World's funnest which was never part of the New 52, and was arguable never in continuity.
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All of your evidence falls under one of three categories. It predates the New 52, it's not part of DC canon, or its really vague.
Put that in contrast to every time we've characters talk about the 52 universes, the guides explaining the 52 universes, the Multiverse Map literally enumerating the 52 universes popping up in the comics.
Because sphere of Gods is above normal/infinite multiverse.
Wut? Wildstorm is canon to DC since JLA/Wildstorm. Majestic even appeared in Superman, Captain Atom appeared in Wildstorm, Superman and Eradicator appeared in Majestic etc.
Uh no, Nil is beyond the multiverse altogether.
Yes, it is. Crisis on Infinite Earths Deluxe Edition Vol 3 collected World's Funnest as tie in.
No one is claiming that the 5th dimension is a spatial dimension. Stop straw-manning.
No. It's as straight-forward as it gets.
Still four dimensional like the rest of the Multiverse according to Mr. Mxyzptlk.
Those are cross-over events. There's no Wildstorm Universe, in the New 52. It's its own thing.
This has nothing to do with what you replied to.
No. Even the writer conceded to that it never was in continuity.
Not to mention that it wouldn't make sense for it to be canon, because Mr. Mxyzptlk destroyed everything and everyone save for Bat-Mite and Garrick's helmet. That would include Perpetua and the Prensce if they shared the same canon.
DC has references to Marvel and Dragon Ball, that doesn't mean that Goku is part of the DC Universe.
Does the Wildstorm Multiverse have its own Bleed? Maybe, but it's not the same as the one as in the New 52. We know this for a fact because out of the 52 universes in the New 52 not a single one is associated with Wildstorm.
That said, you are also missing an important element. Comics are inconsistent. Off-issues don't matter as much as events. Currently Dark Metal is the event that's defining DC's cosmology, and anything that contradicts it is wrong. And that's why I'm telling you not to cherry-pick.
You mean you don't even remember your very first argument here?
You claimed that Beyonder isn't a sixth dimensional being which means you are assigning six dimension to Perpetua and thus Beyonder is more powerful due to being with infinite dimensions.
It really isn't.
Multiverse is four dimensional. Sphere of Gods is not as it is above the multiverse altogether.
You are aware that there was an event called Convergence where Wildstorm characters appeared, right? You are not even aware of basic details of the cosmology.
And no, those are not crossovers. Majestic was main star of Superman books for a month.
Why not?
Writer's intentions are overruled by company edicts.
DC cosmology is messed up. That does not mean we start calling everything that does not makes sense as non canon.
If you go by Morrison's model, the New 52 was DC. There were other multiverses out there (like the one that was destroyed by the Empty Hand) but these were, according to Morrison, "other stories" and not DC stories with Superman and whatnot.
Yes. But it doesn't matter whether the dimensions are spatial, temporal, imaginary, etc. if we simply want to compare the numbers we have the following:
Superman is a four-dimensional being (space-time).
Mr. Mxyzptlk is a five dimensional being (space-time-imagintion).
Perpetua is a six dimensional being (space-time-imagination-unimagined).
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Beyonder is an infinite dimensional being.
Well, for me it is really simple.
But I also tend to deal with a lot more difficult topics, so that might have something to do with it.
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So you are simultaneously confirming that imagination as a spatial dimension does not exists but are still assigning a number to fifth dimension because Beyonder is infinite dimensional!!
That's some logic. Schrodinger's Astner!!!
But seriously, Mxy would shitstomp Beyonder whether he is infinite dimensional or what not. Heck, going by your logic Darkseid would be equivalent to Beyonder because he was so much above multiverse that his mere presence destroyed the multiverse and he became everything in space/time.
As you can see, Darkseid became everything in space/time. Which is what that Beyonder scan means (He was everything in his universe, just like what Darkseid had become in the entire multiverse).
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