I'm going by how badly he owned Ravenous, who was a match for him previously. It looks like Surfer is well above top tier now. He may not be on the exact same level as Thanos is currently, but he's probably at least on par with pre-ressurection Thanos.
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The Top tier is the same. Thor isn't holding back, Superman has gotten upgrades, orion is still his match. everyone is upgrading, but not really becuz thier positions are still held.
Stalemating has nothing to do with physical strength. Odin and Zues can be stalemating each other through blasts. Yet it tells nothing of who is actually physically stronger. Second, Firelord wasn't overpowering Thor ever. Thor in his weakened state overcame Firelord's strength. So a weakened Thor is much stronger than Firelord.
Again, winning or stalemating a battle has necessarily nothing to do with whose physically stronger.
I think you are purposely trying to twist the truth because the fight is common sense.
The fight clearly shows that Thor is much stronger. In every tussle (when Thor and Firelord were wrestling) Thor overpowered Firelord. Even in Thor's weaken state Thor overpower Firelord. If Firelord was stronger than Thor then why did a weakened Thor overpower him everytime (especially when Firelord was trying to choke Thor)? Also, these fights against Thor are very impressive for Firelord, yet Thor is nowhere near Superman in the speed department. Spiderman was shown to be faster than Firelord combat wise.
There is no way in hell that Firelord should even be able to react to a Superman blitz. [/B][/QUOTE]
What does Terrax have to do with this? We are debating Firelord's physicality. Second, have you ever heard of PIS?
Superman is stronger than a thousand galaxies when sundipped only for a small moment. This is how he amps. Terrax can amp too you know. But anyway please show me where Terrax destroyed a planet with physical force. You know that Beta Ray Bill's feat is either PIS or he had a plot device (help) right?
"Megaton bomb" is an exaggeration. The sound effect, the picture, and the effect (Maxima, Doomsday, and Superman all knocked in the air like crazy) all show that the explosion was very very powerful.
Superman wasn't harmed either. There was no scratches on him as well. What you are saying doesn't combat the fact that Superman would never job to Spiderman. This just shows that Superman and Firelord are leagues apart in the physical department.
It knocked DD the hell in the air. Owning would require some blood or at least a tiny scratch, yet none were found on Superman.
PIS is invalid here.
He was moving the entire time on the ground. Please look again! The first scan shows him lifting his right arm in the air while lying on the ground. The explosion itself was very powerful as shown from the scan. Yet it is still clear PIS that what happened there. Thus it is invalid.
It's possible that Firelord wasn't even in the explosion. The scan shows him blasting the station while being far in the air. If Firelord was in the explosion (in which the scan contradicts) then all we can say is that fire is Firelord's thing (like the Sun is Superman's thing).
With all this nonsense you haven't shown or proven that Firelord won't be koed with one of Superman's punches. Answer this though:
About how many punches do you think it would take Superman to ko Firelord if Firelord let Superman hit him? Give me a maximum amount.
Bottom-line, they're still heralds. They've got enough exotic powers from energy manipulation, energy absorption, matter manipulation, cosmic senses, etc. to make Superman dizzy. And each of their battle spirits is fierce.
Nonetheless, I say that this match is pretty even, but for different reasons that most people postulate. The two combined have the ability to pool their powers and could dominate. But they are both arrogant beings and I am hard-pressed to find any instance where either of them has actually shown great tactical cunning or leadership/teamwork abilities.
They'd probably blast each other as often as they'd blast Superman. And Superman would be able to take advantage of that
You haven't made any real points, and neither have I. Take the dur smiley for what it is: The Dur. I haven't been here in a while and I missed it, so I had to post it.
To be honest I don't really care about entering any long dragged out debates. Just felt like posting my opinion, and not defending it out of lazyness and not much interest.
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