Fellow, When the joker prooved to be smarter than batman??? At the end of the story, Batman knowed about Joker's plan and joker's plan failed. He found him and he did beat him. Technoly use? Well, he used that technology in his favour in an smart way. He did that technology,He knows how to use that techonology to find the joker, and he did it. To me, that shows that he is smart. And he used some detective skills in both begins and dark knight. I think that he was showed as a very smart guy in the movies.
Not, im not agree with your second statment. I think that the batman 89 movie, didnt catch any of the batman character conflicts. We dint know about his origin, his story, his motivations, etc. All was about the joker. He just does his job and thats all. We only saw a little flashback when his parentes were killed, nothing more, and some little bits with keaton puting sad expressions, nothing more. Batman begins was the first movie to understand the character and why he is batman and his motivations.
Agree in part with you about two face. I would preffer that he was only harvey dent in the dark knight with a cliffhanger at the end of the movie and then a third movie for him in all his two face glory. I hope that he will be in the third movie, if not, it would be a great mistake by Nolan.
The black guy didnt have any special fighting skills, he was only an strong guy, nothing more. Yes, batman was hurted, but he could do much better that he did in that particular scene against the black guy. It seems that this black guy were killer croc or man-bat or clayface or bane or something.
Lets see, the joker used three rodwaillers dogs to atack batman and distracts him, and then , when batman was distracted, joker used that piece of steel to beat him with all his madness and fury. But batman didnit kill him because he isnt a killer, just like in the most of the comics.
And lets say the truth, batman killer in a cowardly way in the first tim burton movies and joel schumacher movies. Killed the joker, killed the guns in the chemichal factory, killed the penguin, killed two face. That was coward and stupid to do. Im not against batman killed in self defense to beat a greater evil, but not in that cowardly way that he did in those bad movies.
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Well it seems that we definitely are not going to agree since we see the movie scenes depicted differently. Personally I feel Keaton displayed the characteristics the best and Bale physcially depicted Batman the best.
well done. one thing we all agree on is that would be a huge mistake on Nolans part if Two Face is dead.Like Bakerboy said,he should have only been in there as Harvey Dent and we should never have seen Two face till the next movie.I also agree that Joker never proved to be smarter cause in the end Batman found him and beat him and that he was using his smarts using his technology to beat Joker.Like Bakerboy said,Batman used his detective skills and both Batman Begins and in The Dark Knight.
If were going to talk technology here Kotor thats another reason i would have to say Batman Forever did a much better job of showing Batmans detective skills he has than the first two Batman films did cause Batman had to use his technology big time in Batman 89 to defeat the joker.Where in Batman Forever, Batman used his detective skills without technology to figure out what The Riddler was up to to defeat him.
Like Bakerboy said so well.Batman 89 didnt capture ANY of Batmans character conflicts because the majority of the screentime was devoted way too much to the joker and batman was a supporting character.Like he said,we didnt know about his origin,his story,his motivations or nothing because of that.At least we finally learned that in Batman Forever.
Also like Bakerboy said so well,that e black guy didnt even have any special fighting skills and the batman from the comics could have wipped his butt EASILY blindfolded because like Bakerboy said so well he has defeated big strong dudes like clayface,killer croc and manbat while being severely hurt at the same time as well.Batman 89 was a disgrace to his character him getting his ass wipped by that black guy only to kill him in the cowardly way he did when it was unnessary.Like Bakerboy said,the joker used rotweilers to attack Batman to distract him he beat on him with a metal iron and when he got free of the rope he did not kill him cause Batman is not a killer.
I also feel the same as well as bakerboy does.I dont mind if he kills people if its in self defense and there is no other way.But the ways he did it in such cowardly ways in the the Burton/schumacher movies were a disgrace to the name of Batman.
Im glad that Impediment has allowed this thread to stay in the movie discussion section because too many of the fanboys in the Batman section get all whiney and engage in childish name calling when I put down the Burton Batman films like a guy known as A.C.Thats why like Bakerboy said,I also respect your viewpoints even though they are different than mine.oh and thanks for clearing that up for me what you met in that post.
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thats another reason I am really glad this thread has been allowed to stay in the batman section cause I have noticed people who dont normally post in the batman section who arent die hard fanboys worshipping keaton as god as batman,that the causal posters say either Bale or adam west.
If this post of scythes was made in the batman section they would say something like-West? your an idiot.further proof your an idiot is you cant even spell west's first name right.You cant make a spelling mistake or anything in the batman or spiderman section without those idiots saying something like that half the time.
I usually let the fanboys know they can go suck themselves. West to me was the epitome of campy superheroes. It was just great. He had a f*ckin' answer to anything in his Bat-Belt.
What are you talking about? Most of all the die hard fanboys in the Batman forum say Bale is their favorite Batman. This is the most support I have seen for Keaton
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I still don't see how this movie destroys Batman's character. It seemed to epitomize the Batman character to me and showed his Bruce Wayne playboy persona well, too. Some of these points you're making really don't seem like points at all to me.
- Stupid criminals. Hello? Have you ever been to a prison? Not every criminal out there has the Joker's intelligence. Quite a lot of them are pretty dumb, and one of the movie's main themes is how easily swayed people can be by the Joker. I'm sure he roped all those henchmen into it somehow.
- You question how the Joker manages to do everything he does in the movie as if it were impossible. I'm sure if you asked the majority of Americans in 2000 if they thought it was possible for 19 crazy extremists to hijack 4 planes and fly them into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, most would have said no.
- Batman's suddenly not a good detective because he falls for the wrong addresses thing? Seriously, 1.) Batman is under duress here because it is Rachel at stake and 2.) Did YOU see it coming? Did YOU guess the addresses were switched? I just didn't think he would get there in time or something like that. I never saw that coming.
- You don't have to be burned with chemicals to be a psychopath, although that certainly couldn't hurt since I felt Harvey's transformation from Golden Boy to vigilante was a bit sudden. Physically speaking, the Joker reminds me a bit of Charles Manson.
- Where is his hatred for criminals? He's BATMAN! The mere fact he's devoted his entire life to fighting crime shows his hatred for criminals. How could you be Batman and not hate criminals?
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one thing we all agree on is that would be a huge mistake on Nolans part if Two Face is dead.Like Bakerboy said,he should have only been in there as Harvey Dent and we should never have seen Two face till the next movie.I also agree that Joker never proved to be smarter cause in the end Batman found him and beat him and that he was using his smarts using his technology to beat Joker.Like Bakerboy said,Batman used his detective skills and both Batman Begins and in The Dark Knight. 
