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ok well that was fun. Now they both have lots of other powers. And weapons. How would a fight go?

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waelock's power doesn't work on divine beings. The debate is over. Diana resisted nekrons powers. He calls her a godlet. She would resist the karmik blasts the same as thor would.
Analogizing Nekron to Warlock Soul Gem is what I was arguing with. And you're reaching.

If you want to switch tactics and analogize Thor's fortified immortal spirit with Diana's, that's fine. The other analogy was what I had a problem with. As Nekron was sucking their life away, not their souls.


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Analogizing Nekron to Warlock Soul Gem is what I was arguing with. And you're reaching.

If you want to switch tactics and analogize Thor's fortified immortal spirit with Diana's, that's fine. The other analogy was what I had a problem with. As Nekron was sucking their life away, not their souls.
I argues simultaneous points. And I still think Nekron's blast are soul based. He does deal in souls. He stole all those souls in blackest night. That is his power.

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^ And I argued one. And Nekron was draining their life, not their souls in that scan. Show me where Wonderwoman resists soul sucking and soul disruption if you wish to insist on this point.


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ok well that was fun. Now they both have lots of other powers. And weapons. How would a fight go?

Tough to say. Warlock's actually my favorite character overall(he's ahead of even Surfer and Cap) but I almost never debate him in combat because his combat showings are hard as Hell to pin down. His writers always leave quite a bit a lot open to interpretation in combat because it was his mind that they always wanted to showcase.


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^ And I argued one. And Nekron was draining their life, not their souls in that scan. Show me where Wonderwoman resists soul sucking and soul disruption if you wish to insist on this point.
Does nekron feed on souls or life? His power has always been souls. Also no need on showing wondy resiting soul sucking when sh is divine. The gem doesn't work on the divine.

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^ He was draining their life in those scans. Which is obvious since they were aging rapidly. Show me where he was draining their souls. OR show me thereafter where their "souls" are being returned, rather than their vitality/life.

Or show me where Wonderwoman resisted soul sucking or soul tampering. If you don't care to, fine.


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Tough to say. Warlock's actually my favorite character overall(he's ahead of even Surfer and Cap) but I almost never debate him in combat because his combat showings are hard as Hell to pin down. His writers always leave quite a bit a lot open to interpretation in combat because it was his mind that they always wanted to showcase.
I wondered why he wasn't used to play against metron in the jla avengers cross over. That would have been so mich more interesting.

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I wondered why he wasn't used to play against metron in the jla avengers cross over. That would have been so mich more interesting.

Because if they wanted it to be realistic it would have been 13 panels of them talking and then one of them suprising the other with a 1 shot win. Plus even though he was allied with them I don't think he was ever actually an Avenger. Or did you mean him instead of Grandmaster?


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imo, wonder woman for the majority

the lasso could beat him but not due to it's soul manipulating properties imo.

and the soul suck is a dubious tactical manuever since there is CIS (not the "he's dumb" type cis but the "ethical restraint" aspect) attached to it.


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Because if they wanted it to be realistic it would have been 13 panels of them talking and then one of them suprising the other with a 1 shot win. Plus even though he was allied with them I don't think he was ever actually an Avenger. Or did you mean him instead of Grandmaster?
yeah instead of grand master. Warlock was always as smart as thanos was in my opinion.

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^ He was draining their life in those scans. Which is obvious since they were aging rapidly. Show me where he was draining their souls. OR show me thereafter where their "souls" are being returned, rather than their vitality/life.

Or show me where Wonderwoman resisted soul sucking or soul tampering. If you don't care to, fine.
WW is not immortal. She ages. So she should have aged along with everyone elseif he wwas taking life. Neron had no problem taking her life. He couldn't get her soul.It had to be souls he was feeding off of since that is what nekron. does.

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^ What Nekron was doing was sucking their life away. And your deflections are inventive, if not effective. Show me where their souls were returning to the victims. If you don't care to, just give me the issue #. I'll look at the comic myself for the context that will resolve this point of contention.


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^ What Nekron was doing was sucking their life away. And your deflections are inventive, if not effective. Show me where their souls were returning to the victims. If you don't care to, just give me the issue #. I'll look at the comic myself for the context that will resolve this point of contention.
I was inaware that nekron retirned anything.

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^ So those human victims stayed as old people or as soulless husks? Because it sure looks like the former to me until I read the issue myself. So issue # please.


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there is norhing to respond to. Wondy has resisted soul stealing and blocked soul blasts. Her lasso does a soul thing on it's own. It also cancels out magic. And nekron has pwned and held the anti monitor. So he is major.

You have shown zero proof that the black lightning he used on WW was a soul sucking blast. Clearly it was NOT the same as the one he used in that other scan, since that one she was simply unaffected by, but this one she had to block.

Also, on another topic, one of nvr's socks once used those scans as proof WW was immune to electricity. laughing Just since you were trying to say the guy was smart earlier.


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i pissed that someone said he cant steal a soul that is divine by nature none of that matters... he only had problems with one person and that was thor and their were various variables..

he use a karmic blast... not a soul suck and thor staggered but didnt go down and became enraged.. adam thought it was b/c thor's asgardian soul was more fortified the then a mortal but that wasnt really the case..

the problem was that thor's soul had become unbalanced by his father's tampering and having various souls attached to his own.. plus his soul was somehow effecting reality giving his Valkyrie illusion real substance... reality and thor's soul were effecting one another...


now any god whose power or being is reliant on abstract concepts as thought of humans are f#$## when facing adam b/c he can out right manipulate them like he did mephisto/... b/c mephsito even though is a demon is himself an extremely powerfu l" soul" given power my thought of others which the soul gem can twist and manipulate easier then just a powerful physical being who simply calls himself a god but is not depended on human imagination and faith..

either way i give wondy the ability to block blast from adam but what happens when they interlock hands adam can still blast her while removing her advantage to block,

also i doubt her rope could force warlock to obey and what not since of his special place in order and chaos and his soul being without good or evil and him being logical..

also a divine being warlock manipulated and sucked the goddess after she had fortified and restregthen her soul.. she is as devine as it can get she was his god side and near abstract to boot.


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