And she seemed way more powerful as basically pure oldpower than her physical form.
She has absolutely nothing to even pretend she could do that to Surfer pre death. Hell, she tore a massive piece out of the Red King like she was tearing paper and it took Hulk getting pretty pissed to destroy him. She was able to form from the planet, and go back into it. Hell, she opened up a wormhole to Earth and blasted Skaar through it. Which was alluded as being along the same lines as the "Great Portal"
She was powerful no doubt, but not near the level to shrug off two cheapshots from Surfer and then effortlessly smash him down, stunning him in the process even if he was weakened.
Lol...I still don't get your point. Hulk was more powerful than her, not more versatile. This was proven when Hulk tanked a bomb that killed her (and nearly split the planet in half.
There was nothing stated after her resurrection that she received some type of amp. She was the same person and she mimicked Hulk for a reason, not because he was her first love, she mimicked him because he is more powerful than her, people feared his power level. Its ok Bran...she tanked Surfer attack while pretending to be someone that is more powerful than her (which was proven when Hulk tanked a bomb that killed her).
Again, I agreed with you from the get go, don't know why you posted the scans.
You know exactly what my point is, don't play stupid be carver.
You're trying to lowball Surfer because the Hulk can easily walk through his blast and smash him down. But wait, you were wrong, the Hulk didn't do that. So now that you found out it's Caeira this feat must be attributed to the Hulk too because the Hulk easily defeated her... but he didn't. You literally don't even know what happened in the issues, yet you think sticking to a point raised within the issues is in your favor?
Oh shit, she just lies over and accepts death. And since you clearly read the issues, I shouldn't have to tell you that Caeira was treating Skaar like a child when she was dead.
And I'm not arguing her versatility, I'm saying she was blatantly doing things that should have been out of her power before. Raising a shit ton of stone ships while throwing huge rocks at Galactus? She opened a portal from Skaar to Earth where it took the entire council to open up the "Great Portal". She was blatantly forming all over the place like she was part of the planet... which would have helped a little when she died you think?
She showed more power than she did when she was alive. She showed powers that would have saved her from dying. She tanked Surfer's cheapshots while she died while Hulk was shielding her with his body.
Or are we of the opinion that she can easily tank Surfer's blows, but Hulk would easily withstand something that kills her? And really, I think that's actually your whole point. Hulk is so far above Surfer that Surfer shouldn't even be able to tickle him.
If she wasn't amped, then it's absolutely retarded writing, simply put.
But let's do some carving into this feat and put it in the words of a master butcher.
Thing can damage WWH.
Seconds before WWH Hulk can tank a bomb that kills Caeira even though she's being shielded by Hulk.
Caeira can tank Surfer
Which makes Thing > Bomb > Surfer
Carving good logic if I do say so myself
Also lol at you stating why she took his form. I realize you probably think that wasn't explained, but sur****ingprise it was! http://i40.tinypic.com/245gill.jpg
Also, stop acting like scans weren't needed. You have been blatantly wrong, which is why the scans were posted in the first place. And you really haven't agreed with me either, like at all.
Didn't Hulk absorb the radiation released from that bomb or some such sh1t? I thought that was the reason why he survived while most of the ordinary Sakaarians perished: because his body was able to leech off the energy which was lethal to the Oldstrong weirdos.
It was highly addictive in nature, and then Hiro-Kala poisoned him with a corrupted combination of natural PC and the Old Power, that was filled with the pain of "billions of souls".
Basically speaking, Galactus overdosed on the cosmic equivalent of the type of crack cocaine that has been tainted with sh1tty adulterants like chilli powder or rat poison. If you're a dope junkie, then you probably get the gist of what I am trying to say here.
I'm not arguing about Carver being Carver but the Thing comparison is faulty imho.
This Hulk was easier to draw blood from due to a trade off (Retarded healing factor for indestructible skin) but when it came to energy, he was still just as tough if not tougher.
For example, the Storm/Human Torch attack was obviously far more powerful than Thing's punch but he came out of it without a scratch. Just saying is all.
I literally just said I was using carver logic. Learn to read
But anyway, h1 logic aside, I'd assume Surfer's attacks would had had a dramatically greater effect than a punch from Thing on WWH. Which going by carver's allusions shouldn't happen seeing as the vastly inferior Caeira can shrug Surfer off while she dies from a bomb Hulk tanked.
True carver story
I only subscribed to your school of thought when I said I was going to turn into a carver.
Unless you really think your intentions were that well hidden... especially when you admitted it right off the bat.
You know the whole Hulk beating Surfer even though it wasn't Hulk, which turned into Hulk beating Caeira easily... even though...
But yeah, simply put, this showing doesn't fit into Hulk's especially when Caeiea is doing shit that she presumedly wouldn't have been able to do before hand. Hell she later burned off half of Hiro's face with a touch and that guy was a monster at that point in time.
No, not that I recall. He just survived because he was Hulk. And the rage he felt watching his city, wife and unborn child (thought to be dead) be incinerated was what amped him. The energy itself wasn't anything special, it was just the Illuminati ship's warpcore exploding.
I conceded a while back before you posted the scan but you went ahead and did it anyways. I still don't get your point since again, Hulk was more powerful than her. There's no way to dodge this. She didn't receive any special type of amp towards her durability when she came back which again proves, Hulk>>>her since she died from something that pissed him off.
Like I've told you before, I'm not disputing her versatility which is something you keep bringing up. Let me win this...DANG.
No, I don't but I think WWH could repeat what Ciara did since its common knowledge that he is more powerful.
I didn't respond to your post because theres no need since I agreed with majority of the stuff you said a long tome ago. The only thing we are in disagreement of is Hulk being>>Ciara.
So basically you disagree with everything I said, and Hulk should be able to do this based on "Ciara" doing it? Also WWH wasn't the one who tanked said blast. WWH wasn't the one who fought her. By all accounts you're basing this entirely on pre WWH
I'm glad we only disagree on one issue... Which is what all of my posts have been about.
Like... Do you not understand the issue here?
So you believe (and this is something you brought up yourself) that "Ciara" can utterly no sell Surfer. And Hulk can utterly no sell something that kills "Ciara".
Where does this leave Surfer in relation to the Hulk? We assume that Hulk can simply tank Surfer based on "Ciara" who showed superior powers to her life form doing it? Do we ignore the numerous scenes of Surfer injuring Hulk and outright koing him in the process? Do we ignore Hulk never in his wildest dreams treating Surfer that way?
No apparently Hulk is able to just walk straight through Surfer because of the time he did before... I mean "Ciara" did who Hulk beat easily... I mean she took Hulk's form because he was stronger than her... I mean I mean I mean.
You can barely stumble to what you think happened in the actual comic. All your mind focuses on is "Well goooooolllly. This sho be all da proof I need rite mere to say Huggles > Silver Surfy"
But we should ignore her creating wormholes by herself and blasting Skaar through it. Burning Hiro. Tanking Surfer when she and Hulk previously pretty much one shotted each other. Lifting huge ships against iirc Galactus' interference. Creating an ultra hard construct of Hulk as a suit when she was only previously shown to be able to do that with her skin. Reform wherever she wants, etc.
Because clearly non of those have to do with power, nope all versatility. And clearly non of those wouldn't have came in handy when she you know, died. She gained nothing in death. Same exact character. Although now I'm curious how her Hulk suit would fare against the bomb admittedly.
And no, I'm not saying she became more powerful than Hulk or anything, I'm saying she became more powerful independent of Hulk and I don't think there's a scale to measure them between each other afterwards. And what I'm really saying is that it's butt ****ing retarded to use as a showcase for what Hulk could do against Surfer.
And this is ignoring that SS had the obedience disk on
Complete my sentence Carver, I know you want to. This thread will be a hoot if Thor even does moderately well against the severely amped pissed off Sentry though I'll tell you that much.
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