And let me toss that back at you- Show me something that indicates Slade is immune to Cyrax's giant sawblades, or bombs, or being immobilized by his energy net. Here's a hint- you won't be able to, because he's not.
Cyrax, being, y'know, *metal*, is going to be tougher than flesh. He's not immune to everything, but it's an edge, and he's a very, very skilled fighter with a ton of weapons of his own.
Again, you're acting as if MK characters are unskilled bricks totally reliant on strength and toughness alone, rather than fighters who do superhuman things and fight superhuman foes all days. It's silly.
You've yet to prove they're less, and we've got zip reason to believe so.
You've also yet to prove that DC top tier is higher than MK top tier, if you want to go that route.
Obviously, there's no way to 'prove' how the tiers compare given the fact that they're separate universe not counting non-canon crossovers- so yea, nice argument on your part, 'I'm going to insist that unless something that can't be proven is proven, I'm just going to assume the one I don't like is weaker'- but take Shang Tsung. He fought and killed the greatest warriors of Earth every generation for 9 generations (once every 50 years). And gained their power in the process.
And additionally I'll note it doesn't actually take top-tier people to hit Batman. Some no-named martial arts students of the unarmed master were able to do so when Shiva was testing his recovery post-back healing. Two-Face is able to do so. Yadda yadda. Lotta people can hit Batman.
Insisting that the very best in the world from a universe that revolves around martial arts are significantly less skilled based on no indication of lower level is, well, a very weak argument indeed!
Weaker, slower, and less skilled based on.... oh, nothing! And Slade's been beaten by people weaker and slower than him too.
And Scorpion isn't the strongest MK fighter on the list even, not even close.
Long story short of this argument- You're insisting that MK fighters are slow and unskilled based on nothing, and simply assuming the DC ones have big, completely undemonstrated edges. Argument based on assumption is not good argument.
He thinks mk fighters are bad martial artist and very weak which is completely false he thinks deathstroke will win cause he beat batman newsflash he tries to kill and batman dosent. you want us to give feats on them being good martial artist can you give us feats that shows they arnt. Cyrax can teleport and if you notice something about when he teleports his entire body separates so i doubt cutting his limbs off will work and is made out of a very strong metal that can with stand tons of pressure.
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Kain fallacy.
Just because something can disassemble on it's own doesn't mean destroying those parts is ineffective. If I cut up all the pieces of a jigsaw puzzle it becomes a bit more troublesome, doesn't it?
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But cyrax isnt a jigsaw puzzle is he. he is made from a very hard metal that swords are able to break on you ever tried cutting a really strong metal eith a sword ya dosent really work his gun will do some damage probably dent it depending on the ammo he uses but he dosent have unlimited ammo he cant just keep shooting everyone.
how is he going to do that the tech is to advanced and anyway he is not gonna stand thier and let him strip him down how do you no nuts and bolts held him together especially when he can separate himself and come right back together anytime he wants without a problem
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I am inclined to agree that self-disassembly and hostile disassembly are two very different things.
Anyway, while on the subject of Cyrax, here is a video of his X-ray move. Namely, he uses an explosive to knock his foe into the air, then teleports to immediately follow up. Quite the dangerous bot.
The teleportation thing is a nice advantage several of these chars have, as they can even attack immediately in time with the port.
You're assuming that Slade is going to let himself get hit by a saw blade, or stand in proximity of a bomb, or get caught in an energy net. If you think that then it's pretty obvious that you know about Slade.
So Cyrax being a cyborg means he's bullet proof? How do you know that Slade isn't just going to shoot him in the eye or any vulnerable spot? Oh yeah you never thought about that did you?
Do you know how stupid your argument sounds like? You might as well say "If I make a robot who's 20 feet tall, has saw blades for arms and shoots missles and bombs that Slade can't win. I don't care how many weapons he has, I care about how well he can conducts himself in combat. Which apparently isn't very well since he isn't even one of MK's top combatants.
Can MK characters beat characters massively physically stronger than they are? No they can't, the strongest MK characters are probably Onaga, Goro, Motaro and maybe Shao Khan, and they pale in comparison to Donna Troy, Starfire who are both massively stronger and can fly, and even Legacy who can toss Submarines around. Goro was the MK champion, do you think someone like Cassandra Cain, Bruce or Slade would have any trouble with Goro? Even though they beat characters much stronger, faster and more durable than he is?
Have MK characters shown a mastery of pressure points?
Can a single MK character fight off numerous meta humans despite being physically outclassed and outnumbered?
Here let me answer this for you, No, No and NO, the skill level isn't comparable.
In fact if you watch the Deadly Alliance Intro it only took Shang and Quan Chi to kill Liu Kang, one of them sneaked up behind him and shot him in the back. And this is guy suppose to be their grand champion.
That's funny, because I just did exactly that
Weaker, slower and less skilled based on feats, but I forgot that the concepts of feats is something entirely too complicated for you so I'll say it again
When MK characters can casually deflect bullets from two gun turrets firing simultaneously, when MK characters can casually blitz 3 meta humans, when MK characters can punch someone so hard they fly through a door and back 15 feet, when MK characters can kick through steel, they may be on the same level as Slade.
Maybe if you showed some physical based feats you may have an argument, but you're not going to, because the simple fact is that most MK characters lack comparable physical feats, that's why the only thing you were able to show is Sonya being able to destroy steel bars, that and gameplay mechanics.
So far you have nothing, but hey, arguments based on nothing are your specialty aren't they? That and using feats from a dozen characters for one
No one said he is, only that his teleporation and the fact that he's already dead making him more difficult to injure than the rest.
And for each one he's probably beaten 10 people who are stronger and faster than he is. And if you show Slade getting beaten by someone slower and weaker than him then there's a likelyhood that it's circumstantial.
Seriously just hurry up and cop out again dude, we know it's inevitable.
Last edited by TrevorPhillipss on Oct 8th, 2013 at 09:03 PM
Jesus Christ what is with you and using gameplay mechanics? I know you're getting desperate but even you should understand the futility of using gameplay over actual feats.
No, I'm assuming that Cyrax was one of the top members of a deadly assassin clan even before becoming a cyborg, which involves hitting people who are dodging. The net's a net- it's a wide attack where a small dodge isn't enough, it covers a wide area. Bomb's a bomb, similarly, and he can also detonate bombs right out of him so that can include 'getting too close to Cyrax'. Oh, and he can teleport and attack right after he teleports, so he can strike from behind or what have you.
You're the only one assuming that in order to be hit, one needs to just 'stand around'.
He's made of metal with armor. I'm not talking, like, "he has metal limbs but is mostly flesh," like Jax. He's encased in the stuff.
1/8th inch steel can stop many rounds. If Cyrax is *aluminum*, then he'd be effectively bullet proof. He's not aluminum.
Heck, I showed you the cutscene footage of Nightwolf being ok after being slammed into a solid stone alter so hard that several feet of stone broke, and the cyborgs are tougher than Nightwolf.
Hah, and here *you* assume Cyrax just stands around. You assume that Slade can casually get eye shots while Cyrax can't hit at all.
Slade can certainly try, and some of the time he'll even succeed, but gasp, Cyrax will *dodge*. And block, and move, and shoot back, and teleport out of the way, and yadda yadda.
You are aware it's a game series, right? And the games are primary canon? And that the fights mostly take place in gameplay? The cutscenes at most show short snippets before and after battle.
And if someone shows both bombs and teleportation in game play, guess what? It means they have those.
I mean, seriously, your argument is mostly based around avoiding acknowledging any information, treating the interdimensional martial artists with visibly superhuman attributes as schlubs who just stand around and take hits and can only hit non-moving foes.
This is sad. Give it up! You really got nothing other than pretending the MK fighters can't do what they've been shown to do.
Again you're not listing any feats, all you're doing is listing his powers, abilities and what group he was part of, none of this is relevant in a fight, I care about how well he can conduct himself in battle, and given that you're extremely hesitant to actually list some of his accomplishments its safe to say that you have none
No he isn't, show evidence that his eyes or other vital points are bullet proof, in fact show evidence that Cyrax in general is bullet proof, you think because he's a cyborg that bullets especially from a Desert Eagle, a Sniper Rifle or an Assault Rifle, again show evidence. Better yet show evidence that Cyrax can survive getting impaled with a Promethium sword, better yet show Cyrax being invulnerable to a blast from a power staff?
Seriously you have nothing
back to using ABC logic huh? Show evidence that Cyrax is more durable than Nightwolf is. You say the Cyborgs are more durable than Nightwolf? Prove it
And even if that was the case being slammed into stone doesn't correlate to getting blasted by a power staff or getting a sword in the face.
You haven't shown any physical feats for Cyrax to suggest otherwise, show his strength, show his agility, show his speed and his durability, will compare feats and will see if Slade is capable of shooting him in the eye.
So far the only thing you've managed to show is a durability feat...FROM ANOTHER CHARACTER
But you won't be able to, we already know how this is going to end, I'm just trying to hasten your inevitable cop out
Irrelevant, does this mean characters in MK can survive getting their heads ripped out since that seems to happen alot in fatalities? You know that alot of those Xray moves involve characters getting their necks broken, does this mean MK characters can survive getting their necks broken? Because a certain famous MK character died from having his neck snapped
If it happens in gameplay then it's a gameplay mechanic, show something happening in the cut scene or succeed
This is getting very tedious now, the next post is your last chance to contribute something meaningful to the argument, otherwise I'm taking it as your concession
Those Xray moves show characters getting their skulls literally disintegrated, does this mean that MK characters can survive without skulls? They're gameplay mechanics but I guess desperate people like yourself will do anything.
Batman got his back and also spine broken, thats enough to put any human peaked or not in a wheelchair for life so i dont know where your coming from. You also seem desperate Q99 has given more feats then you yet you ask for more. Cyrax is bullet proof thats logic can you prove hes not his and also it was said by game designers of MK9 that cyraxs armor is almost 10x stronger than steel so theirs you one feat. Also just did my research the x ray moves are indeed canon said by mk9 game designers just the fatalities arnt.
Batman didn't get his spine broken, if his spine literally severed it would of killed him, it's the disc in his back that were damaged, people can actually heal from this in real life. Maybe if you actually read Knightfall you would know this, but you didn't. And Batman sure as hell didn't get his spine disintegrated, as in turn to dust, as in exactly what happens in MK Xray moves.
Last edited by TrevorPhillipss on Oct 9th, 2013 at 02:45 AM
Actually we are friends who go to school together so before you start accusing people how bout you ask first you dumbass your just mad cause you are losing this debate and are trying to make excuses to make yourself fell better
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