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OMFG you make me laugh!!..seriously you ROCK..and I had no idea of your age..thats so cute
you should post that on the forum..stid S up a lil bit
these people are so young that they are buying eveything that is being shoved under their noses by disney..then people going to that site with the most sensible theories get squashed down so that the real ending DOESNT leak out..DIiney know what they are doing..
Last edited by LovelyOne on Sep 1st, 2006 at 01:30 AM
this is the thing thats really making me wonder...
Disney pride theirselves on happy endings right?? They kinda live by the rules...which is what the people at keeptothecode are kinda trying to do.... but my point is this;
didn't disney break away from their cliche JUST by making a PIRATE movie?!!
they went against everything they usually do....yes, we had the romance of will/Elizabeth... but they've done something we could never have thought them do....they gave us sexual chemistry between two characters....
IF disney wanted a will/Elizabeth ending FROM THE START then he movie would have been straight-laced and the characters would not have developed....
Therefore, this movie goes against EVERYTHING that disney has spoon-fed its audience for years...
and this is why I believe in Jack and Elizabeth ....
because they have broke the mould.....and it works so well
PS: LoveThemTigers....Your son is very talented lol
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HANG ON! that completely contradicts itself..its not pointing at Jack because she wants SEX from him..its pointing to him because she wants him as a MAN in her life!
He's saying she wants sex from him but thats NOT the reason why the compass is pointing there!..she wants sex AND she wants the man..as in a relationship..So its not a deal where she's thinking..I want sex from Jack..but what I really want is Will...its suggesting..I want sex from Jack and the man I REALLY WANT JACK..
Her character is not interested in marriage..she only wants sex..thats the only reason why she was looking forward to the "feast"..she suddenly comes across Jack and she's gagging for sex...so yes he's tempting in that respect..but thats NOT why the compass is pointing drawn to him...she's actually beggining to WANT him as a man in her life instead of William...thats what she is learning..and thats why she is in so much bloody denail/confusion/fear
because at the SAME time..what she wants most in the world is to SAVE Will...not be with Will...not have Sex with will..but SAVE him
so dont you think that explains WHY she chooses to save Will at the end when its a situation where he might die?
Its a situation where your family..(thats all Will means to her IMO by the end of this movie)..and of course if your family was about to die..and you had to take drastic measures..its possibly that you would give up the one person you SELFISHLY want the most in your life in order to save your family..
Last edited by LovelyOne on Sep 14th, 2006 at 05:09 PM
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I dont think she realizes at this point how much Jack actually loves her in return..it only hits her later..once she has lost him and she has had time to think.."oh no he was probably going to stay anyway.he put up no fight when I did that to him..oh my god he came back for me..oh my god he wasnt angry when I did that to him"
apparently when Gibbs says "its that honest streak in him he would have stayed" Liz cried a fresh batch of tears and she squirms uncomfortably in her seat..
IMO to her at the time when she did..it was "I can give up something that I selfishly want most to save my family becuase this man doesnt really love me in return..its not a 2 way thing so its not heading anywhere in the future"..it explains why she found it so hard to leave Jack..and how much she tried not to kiss him again..because she wants him..but I duno if she realizes how much he wants her in return..and NOT just fr sex..
Last edited by LovelyOne on Sep 14th, 2006 at 05:22 PM
This is suppose to be a love story from Lizzy's point of view...If she commands a pirate crew in 3 and there is animosity between her and Jack because of the end of 2 then I hate to say this, but the freedom she has taken from Jack (aka Waffle) will be to be a pirate herself with her own crew. Bloody Will will be with his deep sea Dad and if Gov Swann is really dead then she won't wind up with either.
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Its not Just on liz's point of view..Jack wants this woman..and is probably in love with her.
Liz didnt take away Jack's freedom..she gave him it...once he accepted that he wanted to be tied down to her (goes back and blows up the ktaken)..it basically freed him as a man..I wouldnt call the action of facing up to the thing he fears most..blowing it up..then jumping right into it without a care in the world the actions of a man who lacks freedom to do what he wants..
and Liz betrayed him yes..but afterward?? She wants ths man back in her life for good.
and Liz/Jack didnt end hating one another..what movie were you watching?
Jack ended it accepting he wants this woman in his life..did you not see how turned on he was that she just did that to him?
and Liz ended it realizing she wants this man back in her life(although I feel there may still be some denial)..
When she chained him up it wasnt through ANGER..did you not see how hard she was finding it to leave him there? She even tried not to kiss him again..she's denying herself what she wants most in this world according to the compass..because at the same time what she wants most in this world is to SAVE WILLIAM (compass also points to the chest)
So by movie 3..I'm guessing Liz will still be in some denial over what she feels for jack..and Jack may even be in that denial too when it comes toer..I cant see him jumping right into loving her until she is in fact ready to face it herself..but what story starts and ends the same??..that denial cant stay there forever..
Last edited by LovelyOne on Sep 14th, 2006 at 07:24 PM
i am not arguing with you, cause i agree with everything you are saying....
but...
i think part of the reason i love the jack/liz relationship and find it so intriguing and delightful to watch is:
the fact that it's ambiguous.
the fact that you just dont know what they're going to do next-- whether they will kill each other or start making out. ya know?
and i think thats part of their attraction to each other, as well. the fact that they dont quite know where the other one stands...
you have to admit, its pretty boring when you KNOW the person you are with is obsessed with you and will never leave you (cough cough will and liz) and there is no excitement any more...
and with Liz and Jack-- there is still that mystery of not knowing if the other one really feels strongly, or whether they are just flirting... (even though i think WE know... lol)
so if it all came out, would it be as exciting? would the attraction be the same if they both confessed everything to each other?
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oh yes I agree with you!!!..but I just get the feeling if they are to ever work in the future as a couple...by the end of movie 3 both character will have to realize that they really dont ever want to hurt the other by betraying them etc,..its the only way a pirate/pirate relationship could ever work in my opinion.
I want to see them not knowing what the hell to do in movie 3 when they are around eachother after that little episode on the pearl(realisation of deeper feelings) ..its so much more interesting..but by the end..if they are meant to be with one another and make it work..its going to have to amout to something where they come to a conclusion of how to be together..
I dont think that by th end of movie 2..that they are sure of being together..it basicaly just hints that its headding that way IMO We are going to see a lot more of this where they learn how to be..alot more uneay moments..and close moments ..they slowly are realizing that they work together (liz a WHOLE bunch slower than Jack lmao)
Last edited by LovelyOne on Sep 14th, 2006 at 08:55 PM
right... right... i guess it just goes back to the "dawsons creek" comment someone made LOL... that there will never be a scene where Jack is like "Oh my darling i cant live without you, marry me my love..." hahahaha.... it would be much more piraty and probably funny...
HAHAHAHA oh gee.... lol.... yeah the betrayal has to stop. its getting out of hand. but apparently Jack isn't going to be the first one to quit the game...
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yes I agree its going to be a rocky ride the fact that movie 3 apparently starts where we see Jack betrays Liz again (although he thinks he's gonna see her again)..and Liz appears to "hate him" again..just gives me LOTS more hope..because a good story starts one way and ends another..and i get the feeling movie 3 is gonna be a nother learning journey for these two..which will probably end where they emotionally ended in movie 2..Jack/Liz..Will/Dad" Ted said movie 2 is all the closure you need for the love triangle" They physically end one way and mentally end another..and Ted hints that its the mental ending that is the most significant
awe. i dont want liz to ever hate Jack. why is she so dumb. why cant she take friendly banter and the fact that men's methods of flirting often involve little wars? LOL...
i'm just concerned that if they make them hate each other at the beginning or whatever, the only resolution we will get between them will be friendship....
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It's two fairly smart people (Liz and Jack) against an idiot (Will). That's a strong term, but he doesn't think things through and he thinks he's always right. He has Jack and Liz's intelligence to a point (no one really matches Jack for intelligence in these) but not the cleverness portion, and even though things don't usually work out for her, Liz is a very clever girl. She needs to be challenged mentally, and Will doesn't do that for her. Think what she gets out of that relationship. Nothing. She doesn't get passion because Will's collar is too tight. She doesn't get friendship because the only time they ever spend together is when they're both in some kind of trouble or he's teaching her how to sword fight (that's another good conversation). She doesn't get any witty dialogue, nothing. Plus, she didn't know what all Will did or didn't do when he "saved" her in the first movie. She wasn't there to see it was Jack who took full charge and Will just followed him around and criticized him the whole time. The second movie shows her he isn't really the pirate she thought he was.
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I dont think its gonna be hate..probably denial on both sides..its like if I had one totally amazing close moment with someone that I thought I didnt like all that much..and then I had to face them again..I wouldnt know how to behave..do I hate them? do I lke them?..do i LOVE them?
and on Jacks behalf its more do i love them or just lust after them?..do I really want the "trouble" of this woman in my life or do I want to be a "free spirit"?..and again the way movie 2 ended emotionally..no its not lust Jack wants this woman in his life ......and with Liz..its more than just hating or liking..much more and she wants him back in her life more than anything
again the movie 2 love triangle closure thing Ted talks about..If there was no movie 3..I would clearly say that by the end of movie 2..Jack wants Elizabeth in his life and loves her. Jack wants her in his life more than anything after worrying about wanting her in his life or not..and Elizabeth thought she didnt want him but in fact does..and on a larger level than just sex or friendship..and she wants him back in her life..after worrying about being with him and how she actualy feels towards him etc
I dont think i'm explaining myself too well here lol
Last edited by LovelyOne on Sep 14th, 2006 at 09:15 PM
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You are explaining it fine. I mean, the guy is tied to his ship that a big monster is going to take down in a matter of minutes and what does he care about? He's grinning like a stoned baby because Liz kissed him! He looks utterly dazed and overwhelmed, and that's why I think this is the part where he consciously decides he's in love. His brain could have come up with any excuse in the book to go back to the Pearl and save the crew, but he can't fool himself as to why he's smiling there. He should be screaming and kicking her shins, not savoring the moment.
Also the reason Jack smiles is bc he just made liz fall in love with him and hes like "SCORE!"
She did exactly as he said she would do. And i think he smlies bc he is even amazed at himself that he let her kiss him ad then chain him up to face the kraken. hes also amazed at himself that he could actually love and risk his life over a woman
LOLLLLL great post Willofthewisp. LOL. both of you are on it.
thats so great. stoned baby.
meanwhile liz is having like a little emotional breakdown. didnt even look that distraught when her wedding got wrecked.
actually its a love square... dont forget norri, even though he doesnt have much of a shot anymore. but if we're still including Will, i say we include norri. LOL
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Thanks Willofthewisp and I agree with you so much about why Jack is smiling there
you kow what..I honestly dont see that last scene as Elizabeth giving into the temptation of acting like a pirate..because that is something she actually does quite often..and she seems pretty fine with it..I mean betraying people here in order to save herself..
when you look at the curiosity scene again..Jack says "you want to know what its like..to act on selfish impulse..one day you wont be able to resist, you will come over to MY side..I know it"
And Jack knows that she has already acted on selfish impulse in the past..because she did it to him lmao. So i think he's more concerned about her actually tasting HIM..and one day she will and she will love it..
That last scene was not about her giving into being a pirate it was about her giving into the temptation of tasting what Jack was like..the betrayal is old hat when it comes to Liz..but this time..she's gonna see what Jack actually tastes like..and Jack actually sees that she LIKES IT(the whole staring back at his lips..almost tasting him again)..so the "pirate" line is not actually him saying "see I knew you were a pirate..and MY little pirate" because he already knew that about her. Its more like he's saying "ha! I knew you wanted to taste me and that you would LOVE IT..you are MY little pirate"
and as for the act on selfish impulse when it comes to tasing Jack??? I would say that was a pretty selfish thing to do..by tasting Jack before betraying him..
Last edited by LovelyOne on Sep 14th, 2006 at 09:57 PM
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that makes me so happy.
Sep 1st, 2006 01:10 AM
..its so much more interesting..but by the end..if they are meant to be with one another and make it work..its going to have to amout to something where they come to a conclusion of how to be together..
