No you don't have to. Since you and I know who'd win between the two, that's enough for me. Hey for that matter, Sentry must take Supes too, since he's currently the most powerful(think about it, Thor's a Skyfather now, so Sentry must be WAY up there).
There's nothing to really argue, Supes can't KO Surfer easily. It's that simple. (Though if you disagree, I can bump it again).
Hey, by Supes own words, Thor may be the toughest opponent he ever faced(and don't forget he's taken on Doomsday, Darkseid, damn near everyone else is DC), so if we're all willing to accept that, I can accept Surfer saying he's more powerful.
Yes, and Thanos's puts him in league with Skyfathers.
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And now you're assuming...lol...someone is REALLY fishing for an argument.
Since when does "most powerful hero in Marvel" suddenly mean that they can beat any DC character?
Better yet...how does that mean the top hero wins all the time?
Funny how I don't see you counteracting ridiculous SS 10/10 over Superman...
So take your pick...if he says they are each his toughest opponent..which is really the toughest?
In your words....not Marvels.
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Oh, Lord, once again I must rise to point out how the Surfer, when fighting Thor the first time, was at a fraction of his former power. In fact, I believe I've stated this often enough and have cited panel evidence (the last one being Surfer's own words just 2 issues before he fought Thor), such that I shouldn't have to repeat it here.
This is really Marvel's fault, for being so blatantly inconsistent.
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Wrong. I'm not fishing for an argument. I'm simply seeking a solid stance on the issue from you. Because the way I see it, as long as the speculation is working against Surfer, then it's perfectly acceptable. However, when it's being used against Supes, then you bust out with comments like this...
So which is it?
And CS and Sentry being the most powerful hero in Marvel DOESN'T automatically give them the win against any character in DC(because DC has Skyfather characters and such), but the fact that Marvel said that means that he's above ANY of their other heroes. Right now, Thor is a skyfather, so Marvel's statement would put Sentry above that. CS was regarded as being their most powerful EVER. So either of those statement if taken at face value, should give either of them a clear win over Supes. Now are YOU saying that Supes should take the majority over EVERY Marvel hero that's ever been made(and Marvel's Skyfathers)?
That is funny, because I've actually defended Supes ability to take a couple of wins over Surfer every since I found up about the way he's been powered up.
Hey, once again I'm leaving up to you to decide how much credit to lend with statements like that. If you want to accept that Surfer's statement auto matically puts Thor's hammer over him in power, that's fine. However, accepting statements like that also puts Thor over everyone Supes had fought up until that point. So which is it?
Absolutely, my words. But Marvel's showings for him. Just like DC never named PC Supes or SBP a Skyfather either, but their showings indicate that they are at the Skyfather level of power.
Yup. That must be why I've said that they can all beat each other.
Thor is asleep and there is no indication that he is coming back at a skyfather level. CS may have been stated as the most powerful almost 20 years ago, but then Sentry came along.
YOU were the one bringing up CS SPIDEY here...how that translates to Superman beating skyfathers baffles me. Are you saying cosmic spidey can beat skyfathers?
Great. Then that's that. You must have missed the comment where I said throw em in a box and any of my picks have a chance to win. SS included.
Really? So you are claiming that Thor's hammer is MORE POWERFUL than ANYONE Superman has fought and this is so becuase YOU believe Surfer is more powerful than anyone in the DC universe?
PC Lex must have been skyfather too considering he manipulated time with orange juice and a flashlight. Current Krypto must be skyfather as well.
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Your still trying to cop out on this one. Is the statement valid or not? If it's valid, then you should be willing to admit that CS and Sentry should both take the majority over Supes. Just answer the question.
He never lost the Odin Power, so until it's established that he has, he's still a Skyfather. And I know that CS hasn't been around for 20 years, I'm not trying to compare him with Sentry. I'm comparing each of them to Supes, because you seem to hold different standards in regards to Marvel and DC characters. If
If Thor was last seen as a Skyfather, then he still is until indicated otherwise. So if Marvel's statement about Sentry is valid, then that would put him above Skyfather. So if your unwilling to give Sentry the majority over Supes, than YOUR implying that Supes is above Skyfather. This whole thing could be resolved, if you'd just make an actual stance on how valid company statements are during a debate. If they ARE valid, then that means that Sentry WOULD take majority over Surfer(Of course that would also mean that He and Cosmic Spiderman BOTH take majority over Supes in your opinion).
I never denied that any of them could win. This whole thing started with you trying to act like Supes could get an easy KO on Surfer.
No, because I personally don't lend statements like Surfer's or Supes much credit. YOUR the one who acted like Surfer's statement was a clear indication of power, and if that's the case, then so is Supes.
Once again...I never said that Thanos was a Skyfather. I said that he was at Skyfather level. He has the showings to indicate it, just like PC Supes and SBP do. Are you now saying that PC Supes and SBP AREN'T at Skyfather level?
No, you are fishing. Everything has been answered either in this forum or in the prior forum that you are mentioning.
Sentry vs Cosmic Spidey seems to be the crux of everything...so you think CS beats Sentry?
This is all YOUR opinion and someohow you are trying to impose this on me?
YOU think Superman is above skyfather? Explain how..cause it came from you...not me.
Also did Marvel and DC agree that the highest hero in Marvel > Superman and ALL HIS ENEMIES (what YOU insinuated.)
Neither did I. I also said there is a separate topic for specifics.
Apparently you do, or you wouldn't be so upset about a thread that was forgotten months ago.
And that's "You're" short for "YOU ARE." "YOUR" means something else.
Are you saying that Krypto is skyfather level? Is PC Lex skyfather level?
Is Bugs Bunny skyfather? He erases universes with erasers.
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Wait, what did Krypto do again?
Also, your using one feat to put Lex up their, there are tons of feats to put Thanos up there.
Also, Lex did that with prep. It wasn't his own power.
Hell anyone with a spring, flashlight, orange juice, and a straw can do this...
It had nothing to do with his power, only his intellegence.
Do you see nayone here using Thanos's intellect to put him at skyfather, no!
Also, yes, Bugs Bunny, is way up there. Skyfather, and beyond level.
So what, your just going to continue to avoid answering to keep from contradicting yourself? A simple yes or no to whether or not STATEMENTS made by the company are valid evidence for a debate, would suffice.
I haven't said anything about Sentry vs CS. I'm really not familiar enough with Sentry to judge.
No I'm using YOUR logic. Here let me explain...
Thor(when last seen)=Skyfather
Sentry(by Marvel's statement)=Most powerful hero
So by logic...
Sentry>Skyfather
So if you are going to continue saying that Marvel's statement is a valid indicator of power, then you should also be willing to admit that Sentry takes Supes. Unless of course, you honestly think that Supes is above a Marvel Skyfather.
Well would you like for me to bump that other topic(again) so you could properly express your belief that Supes could get an easy KO on Surfer? I'd be happy to go over the specifics with you.
Thanks for the correction on "Your". I missed that one(didn't register on the spell check).
And, I honestly don't mind statements like Surfer and Supes made, it's pretty standard for characters to say things like that. That's why I don't lend statements like that much credit. And I'm not upset about that thread. I simply noticed the different standards you seem to have when the opposition of speculation is Surfer rather than Supes. It seems to me that YOU'RE the one who is upset, because I happened to note bias and the use of a double standard on YOUR part.
Bugs Bunny is WAY beyond Skyfather level. He's in league with Mr. Mxy at the very least.
But anyway, are you now saying that PC Supes and SBP AREN'T as powerful as many Skyfathers?
The only thing that seems to have changed about the Surfer is the attitude he has to using his power.... anyone who was powerful enough to beat him before should still be able to do it.
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