Planet, do you suffer from the online disease called "selective reading"? Your most recent interpretations haven't really reinforced that "extreme debating" skill that you so arrogantly claim to possess. You've ignored my post that I very nicely provided for you, so is this a sign of consent on your behalf?
"The Sith finally emerged from a thousand years of watching and waiting, they numbered in accordance with the tradition set down by Darth Bane, only two. The most powerful of these was Darth Sidious, an ice-cold, diabolically calculating genius equipped with the strengths of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge."
-- Darkside Sourcebook, Chapter Five: Dark Side Traditions, Page 85.
That seems pretty cut-and-dry to me. It's confirmed that Sidious is the most powerful of Bane's lineage, which Lightsnake was trying to tell you all along. As for your assertion that this only speaks of his intellect and not his skills as a Force user, perhaps you conveniantly ignored the quote: "equipped with the strengths of the dark side of the Force, as well as an enormous wealth of Sith artifacts, equipment, and knowledge."
That does not speak of intellect. As for your subsequent quote from the Dark Side Sourcebook:
"Perhaps the best weapon in his arsenal was his keen understanding of galactic politics, and his seemingly unlimited ability to engineer situations that ultimately served to further empower the Sith."
What's your point, exactly? It's simply saying that Sidious's intellect and his skills as a manipulator were the "best weapons in his arsenal", which isn't exactly untrue, considering how it was with his intellect that he crushed the Jedi, toppled the Republic, and conquered the galaxy. That isn't to say that his power was limited only to his intelligence, and it is foolish of you to even imply that.
So, exactly, how can his "power" be construed as just insofar as to his brains? Especially when you have the quotes provided from the novelization and Labyrinth of Evil.
Power is ambiguous, that's why we refer to context. As usual, Lightsnake never provided the actual quote, now that he has, it's easy to see that there's so much more to it than was originally said.
Mr Strawman, is that you? I was waiting for you, I knew you'd come. Please, point out where I said it only speaks of his intellect. 'Cause I recall saying 'power in this sense doesn't mean purely combat prowess, it's a combination of different aspects of power'. Nice try anyway.
You really can't see my point? Reading comprehension, much? My point was that given 'power' is ambiguous, and under the same passage that Sidious is described as powerful, his weapons include his intellect and political knowledge, it's pretty clear that power in this sense isn't purely related to combat, but to a bunch of things including his intellect. Therefor, that quote alone doesn't prove that he was more powerful than Bane, in the sense of pure combat prowess, as there are non combat related attributes used to factor in on his power.
Point out where I implied it.
Just? No no, that's not what I said, read again boy.
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Well i dont like it when he assumes superiority and attempting to judge other people as and when he likes, Its extremely annoying, Its like he thinks he is the authority around here (no offence) Other than that theres nothing else, im talking about escape so Captain planet, dont flame me for that.
If you want to prove palpatine being the so called most powerful gideon then i suggest you use the NEC as a refrence or use the star wars databanks wich already states he is the strongest sith.
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There's a post on page 6 of this thread that remains unanswered.
Lmao. Oh, yes, so original. Throwing out the "fanboy" moniker? Please. By that logic, you're a Darth Bane and Darth Revan fanboy, and as bad as they've come. Having been here longer than you, I've seen a lot on KMC. You're among the worst.
Power is ambiguous? Perhaps to the coalition of people who still believe that "Sidious is the weakest Sith" and "Ragnos can WTFpwn everyone at the same time". Really, the only time I hear that power is ambiguous is when it applies to Sidious. Then the accepted view of it translating to Force power simply fades away, and it all gets murky.
"It then goes on to say,
'Perhaps the best weapon in his arsenal was his keen understanding of galactic politics, and his seemingly unlimited ability to engineer situations that ultimately served to further empower the sith', so power in this context most likely is inclusive of political power. That statement doesn't definitely prove that DE Sidious is more powerful (in terms of combat prowess) than Bane."
This is where things get interesting. My point for this quote is not that it is the one indicating that he is stronger than Bane. It does prove that he is the most powerful of Bane's lineage, and one could deduce that given the structure of the sentence itself, that it is implying that he is more powerful than Bane.
Put two-and-two together, Planet. That same quote that Advent provided states that he was "equipped with the strengths of the dark side of the Force", making an obvious reference to his strength in the Force.
It does not mean, nor imply, that Sidious's power derives mainly from his political skills. All it said was that the best weapon in his arsenal was his intellect. Like I said, which one did he use to conquer the Republic? His Force powers or his intellect? Answer: his intellect - which explains why the Dark Side Sourcebook would say that, given that his primary function is not a fighter (Maul and Vader are his "muscle", so to speak), but a schemer.
That said, there is no reason that the Dark Side Sourcebook was crediting Sidious's power mainly to or only to his intellect. It makes zero sense.
"a bunch of things"? Would that be, perhaps, "the strengths of the dark side" that the sourcebook said that he was equipped with?
Well there's nothing there worth answering since you brought up the same points in the post that I did respond to.
You can whine all you want, but given how the term is used, it is ambiguous.
Is your reading comp this bad? Key word = inclusive, that does not indicate that I believe that his power mainly consists of his intellect, just to some degree.
Seriously Escape...
The passage states that Sidious was the most powerful of that lineage, and it then goes on to explain his weapons, which include combat related weapons and intellect related weapons. The coupling along of both intellect and combat prowess in this context indicates that power in this sense includes all aspects of power; combat, intelligence, political etc.
And can you please stop making it out as if I said 'mainly', I only ever said 'partially', quit making shit up.
I never said 'mainly', quit making shit up.
Yes, as well as 'perhaps the greatest weapon in his arsenal'. As I said before, power is clearly inclusive of more than just combat related power, given the labelling of his intellect as a 'weapon'.
Um you do get that that makes him stronger then Bane right...and Yoda is equal to Sidious so by transitive property Yoda is stronger then Bane, thus making this topic over. Just making sure you know what your arguing.
Dude, until you can prove that power in this context is purely related to combat prowess, the evidence is not right in my face. The fact is, at the same time as he is labelled as the most powerful, his intellect related attributes are listed as some of his weapons, so power in this context is clearly inclusive of all aspects of power, not just the combat related attributes, but intellect related attributes too. This is obvious, to deny it is showing extreme bias.
Dec 12th, 2006 05:15 PM
This ought to be fun. 
