I don't know if you could, part of me wants to but the other part doesn't. I think that it is more of the spirit that we take in and not the actual blood and body of him. I feel the connection to God but I believe the bible to be teaching of his word as best man can understand.
In the Bible Jesus tells people that they must eat his body and drink his blood.
Also, what I think is important to remember is that the Bible is a product of the Church, the Church is not a product of it. Therefore any authority the Bible has stems from the Church. As Saint Augustine said "Indeed, I would not believe the gospel myself if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so."
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But the church created the Bible, so are you saying that if the Bible is incorrect then the Church as to be? The Church debated and went through all of the scriptures and "approved" all of them to be in the cannon so how could the Bible not be an authority?
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So the Bible is not the word of God? I think you are missing the point, if the Church created the Bible and the Church is supposed to be in touch with God and the Bible is supposed to be the word of God how can the Bible or the Church be wrong?
Edit: So if this is some of his theaching are these teachings wrong?
I have lost some of my faith with the church as of late, hearing the stories of things in the news of stuff that is not God like and following of his words. I know that it is only a few bad people but when the church does not do something I think that it is wrong.
The people who wrote parts of the Bible are believed to have been Divinely Inspired and guided by the Holy Spirit. As such the Bible contains Divine Revelation. However it is not believed that the Bible contains all revealed truths.
So, the Bible is a product to aid the Church in it's ministry,you might notice that there have been additions to the Canon over time, so the perceptions of Canon can and has changed.
Is the Bible the word of God? Not in the sense that it is believed to be without error and be dictated by God- how Muslims view the Koran.
[edit] Why would my saying that the Bible contains "some of his teachings" lead you to think that this means they are wrong? I really do not see the logical flow there...
Members of the Church can do bad things but this does not mean that the Church has lost it's authority to teach. Peter denied Jesus three times but he never lost his apostleship.
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I don't even understand how you would define the difference between "body" and "bread" if they are the same in every attribute. How are the two different? They have to change in some way to become transformed but you say no change has occurred.
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As in how I feel about the Church running things? Well personally I have more issues with the Church than the bible, well with most organized religions in general. I see so much corruption in the Church that it is hard for me to think of them as holy and not even as of late but throughout history. People in the Church has used the idea of it to gain power and wealth throughout its long history, it would take a "miracle" for it to change at least in my view.
Well, I tend to agree- there has been a vast amount of Corruption and the like in the Church...but then again, human beings are flawed and it is always going to happen in any setting...
The fact that there are more sinners than saints in the Church does not mean that the Church has lost God's grace though...
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It also shows that they haven't had it either. If things like this can happen and humans are flawed, then the Pope can be flawed since it is man that elects him.
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Gav says that the Pope is infallible therefore the Church is the authority of Gods will and design and not the Bible, however the Church is run by man and not divine as we can see through the things that it has done. Both the Bible and the Church contradict, corrupted and created by man and are far from divine.
Yes that is true, but even though the Church makes errors God continues to uphold her teachings and gives her authority.
Priests who molested Children in the Church are a tiny minority and proportionally the Church has as many as any other institution i.e. the US Education service.
Yes it was and is a horrible thing but God does not abandon the Church.
The thing with the Pope is that he is not infallible due to anything within him but because God has given his promise to uphold the Pope's doctrinal teaching.