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Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Without the gem, Superman by himself gets the majority. So does the Flash. So does the MMH. So does WW. Without the gem, against this team, it's a horrific sh** stomp of epic proportions. With the gem it's at least interesting. To think he beats this team without the gem is simply jaw-dropping.

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Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Please tell me how WBH hits the Flash before the Flash vibrates his brain out of his skull. And please don't use the old "you know how many people have hit the Flash in comics" argument.

Superman has better strength and durability feats than WBH, and yes, that's an absolute fact. Punching through dimensions, surviving a blast equivalent to 50 supernovas while weakened, lifting infinite weight, slowing down eternity, lifting the Spectre, I could go on forever.

The MMH has so many ways to bring down the Hulk....I'm assuming you've read a few DC comics though, and that I don't need to explain them to you, but if you need me to, I will.

Wonder Woman could use the godwave, well, if you think WBH could withstand that, I feel sorry for you. But that's admittedly a very extreme example when it comes to her (but hey, like I said earlier, everyone here thinks as soon as the bell rings to start the fight, the Hulk raises his arms to do a thunderclap. of course that's never allowed for DC characters). But by herself with just her lasso she's beaten more powerful enemies than WBH. By a lot. her lasso can do some insane things, sadly most people are pretty ignorant of the character.

Now, that's just a few examples, but yet people think WBH is going to beat this WHOLE TEAM AT ONCE. When they are going to be mentally coordinated thanks to the MMH, they are going to have a MASSIVE speed advantage that's going to make this fight over before the Hulk could even raise his arms, especially if the Flash steals his speed immediately. (again, not common, but more common that Hulk opening with a Thunderclap in the FIRST SECOND of a fight).

And like I said, the lowballing of Hal's shields has been hilarious here. If he had them up and for some reason, the team hasn't speed blitzed the Hulk to oblivion, the Thunderclap would destroy the shield, but would stop it enough to save the team at least for one attack. Then they see what they're up against and take the initiative.

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Originally posted by carver9
World Breaker Hulk loses...everyone on the field is to fast for him to touch. All of them wink out and snatch the gem at a Pico second and then circle the world 10 Times while Hulk is still appearing as a statue and then all of them combo to ko him while he still didn't get the chance to lift a pinky finger.

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Originally posted by Brockalizer
I think that you might be slightly overestimating the speed advantage. It's like you think that Hulk has never encountered a speedy adversary before. If what you say is true the Hulk would've appeared as a "statue" when fighting, Silver Surfer, Gladiator, Thor, Sentry or any one of a number of top tiers or High Heralds that he has fought over the years. I'm not sayin that the Hulk wins for certain, but I don't see s shit stomp in JLA's future either.

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Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
You're underestimating how powerful this team together is. Could this Hulk with PG beat the X-men? Sure. The Avengers? Most line ups, yeah. But not this JLA. There's too much firepower here. that doesn't take anything away from the Hulk at all, mind you.

Also, Thor, Gladiator and Sentry haven't shown me ANYTHING close to the Flash. The Flash could steal Hulk's speed and literally would turn him into a statue. Again, I'm not saying he necessarily WOULD do that, but then again, why are people claiming the bell rings and Hulk raises his arms to do a thunderclap?

Also, it's worth noting that I've rarely.... if ever... seen any of these characters do what I would call a speed blitz on the Hulk. If the SS started going max speed in a fight with the Hulk, I think he would be a statue. Yeah, the Sentry flew into him really fast (how fast isn't clear whatsoever), but he didn't immediately follow up with 2,000 punches, like the Flash COULD. And I've never seen anything stating Sentry is even 1/1,000th as fast as the Flash. The Surfer I could possibly believe, but has SS ever blitzed Hulk ? So really, yeah, he FOUGHT the Surfer, but saying because he fought the Surfer he can withstand a speed blitz doesn't make any sense, unless the Surfer USED A SPEED BLITZ ON HIM. Not only that but the Hulk never even beat the Surfer anyway, so whether he used a speed blitz on him or not, it wouldn't help the argument anyway (oh yeah, he did beat a non-power cosmic surfer...with help, but that's like me saying Superman and some other heroes together beat Hal Jordan without his ring and using that to say Supes beat Hal).

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Originally posted by Brockalizer
I think that you might be slightly overestimating the speed advantage. It's like you think that Hulk has never encountered a speedy adversary before. If what you say is true the Hulk would've appeared as a "statue" when fighting, Silver Surfer, Gladiator, Thor, Sentry or any one of a number of top tiers or High Heralds that he has fought over the years. I'm not sayin that the Hulk wins for certain, but I don't see s shit stomp in JLA's future either.

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Originally posted by carver9
This argument that you are making, can you prove it with scans?

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Originally posted by carver9
I was being sarcastic. I think WBh without the gem can win this.

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Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
If you think that, then no amount of scans will ever change your mind. I'd have better luck trying to prove that the Pope has magical powers to the Taliban.

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Originally posted by keiththegreat

Batman (hey, you can't have a JLA without him)

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Originally posted by carver9
Lol...Savage Hulk alone share majority of the fts that you've named for each of these characters...WBH is leaps and bounds above Savage Hulk.

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Originally posted by PillarofOsiris
Don't undersell Batman, now:

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(I'm joking obviously)

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I find it highly curious that this scan is different from other scans I've seen of the scene in question:

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Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ More importantly, the narration boxes are different. At the moment of the kick's impact, one scan says, "The powerful kick is painfully driven into the Hulk. Achieving the desired result:"

The other scan says, "The powerful kick to the man-brute's solar plexus is more startling than painful, but it achieves the desired result: the breath cruelly driven from his lungs, the Hulk reflexively sucks in a fresh chestful of air --"