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To me, Thor is not stronger than the Hulk, and clearly Thing fights the Hulk and lasts more than a single punch, so yeah Im heavily supporting if Thing is ready for a fight, Thor (let alone a weaponless Thor) should not be able to KO him with one blow. It goes against virtually every fight Ive ever seen Thing involved in.


He's not stronger than Hulk, but his strength is sufficient to match Savage Hulk's own for hours on end, which is greater than than Ben's.

You also have to consider Thor's own feats, not just how Hulk and Thing fare in opposition to one another.


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To me, Thor is not stronger than the Hulk, and clearly Thing fights the Hulk and lasts more than a single punch, so yeah Im heavily supporting if Thing is ready for a fight, Thor (let alone a weaponless Thor) should not be able to KO him with one blow. It goes against virtually every fight Ive ever seen Thing involved in.
You think Thor cant do it with mjolnir?


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With Mjolnir, Thor's literally shattered Thing's jaw off and broke his arm in pieces. And the mere act of summoning Mjolnir would have killed an amped Thing had it not been for Franklin. no expression

Without Mjolnir, given Thor's strength, which is exceptionally higher than Ben's (don't see how anyone can argue this), it's certainly possible he could one shot Ben.


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Nope. Read the fight again. That doesn't makes any sense. How's Eric masterson controlling thor's body less strong than thor controlling thor's body? Thor didn't go anywhere, he was banished deep into eric's mind while eric was in charge of Thor's body.


Because Masterson is a noob. I mean, in the scans carver posted, he even goes as far as to say 'I sometimes forget that good ole' Mjolnir can summon the elements of the storm - and that includes lightning'.

You think Thor would forget he can summon lightning?


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Thor knocked Thing jaw off with Mjlonir but he didn't ko him. I think he can possibly do it with the hammer but looking at Things showing, Thor being able to do this contradicts a lot. Colossonaut, Juggernaut, Hulk, along with others wasn't able to do this so why would Thor?


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Because Masterson is a noob. I mean, in the scans carver posted, he even goes as far as to say 'I sometimes forget that good ole' Mjolnir can summon the elements of the storm - and that includes lightning'.

You think Thor would forget he can summon lightning?
He forgets all the time


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He's not stronger than Hulk, but his strength is sufficient to match Savage Hulk's own for hours on end, which is greater than than Ben's.

You also have to consider Thor's own feats, not just how Hulk and Thing fare in opposition to one another.


I think youre misunderstanding my meaning, Im not saying Thing could beat Thor, he cant, but that Thing is strong enough to last a good amount more than just a single punch from Thor (hammered or otherwise), just as he does in his numerous fights with Hulk.

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Nope. Read the fight again. That doesn't makes any sense. How's Eric masterson controlling thor's body less strong than thor controlling thor's body? Thor didn't go anywhere, he was banished deep into eric's mind while eric was in charge of Thor's body.


I'm reading it right now, thanks.

Take it up with how they're actually portrayed on panel. Thor is clearly superior to Eric while holding back, and it's not just a skill/experience factor. Thor being angry doesn't mean he's going all out. It's evident by his regret and the conflict within him - pointed out by others watching - that he's not giving it his all. Conversely, Eric is raging pissed and trying to prove he's better than Thor, which is clearly is not.

Moot point per Pr's ruling, though, anyway.


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Because Masterson is a noob. I mean, in the scans carver posted, he even goes as far as to say 'I sometimes forget that good ole' Mjolnir can summon the elements of the storm - and that includes lightning'.

You think Thor would forget he can summon lightning?

I'm talking about strength specifically. That was masterson at half the strength btw.


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You think Thor cant do it with mjolnir?


With a single strike, while Ben is ready for a fight, no, I dont. Thors hammer shouldnt hit harder (or that much harder) than a punch from Hulk, and Ben lasts quite a bit against his numerous battles with Bruce.

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I'm talking about strength specifically. That was masterson at half the strength btw.


He got his power restored back to him. Don't know why you keep saying that.


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Thor knocked Thing jaw off with Mjlonir but he didn't ko him. I think he can possibly do it with the hammer but looking at Things showing, Thor being able to do this contradicts a lot. Colossonaut, Juggernaut, Hulk, along with others wasn't able to do this so why would Thor?


Because Thor with Mjolnir is a beast? Let alone when he's phucking pissed off?

And I'd say physically wrecking Ben literally to the point where chunks of his body is falling off is more impressive than punching him once and having him say "...wow..." all groggily.


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I'm reading it right now, thanks.

Take it up with how they're actually portrayed on panel. Thor is clearly superior to Eric while holding back, and it's not just a skill/experience factor. Thor being angry doesn't mean he's going all out. It's evident by his regret and the conflict within him - pointed out by others watching - that he's not giving it his all. Conversely, Eric is raging pissed and trying to prove he's better than Thor, which is clearly is not.

Moot point per Pr's ruling, though, anyway.

That doesn't prove anything. Neither masterson nor thor were holding back. Answer the question, is masterson controlling thor's body somehow less strong than thor controlling thor's body? If yes, how?


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He got his power restored back to him. Don't know why you keep saying that.

In Thor 455. Gladiator fight was in Thor 445.


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Because Thor with Mjolnir is a beast? Let alone when he's phucking pissed off?

And I'd say physically wrecking Ben literally to the point where chunks of his body is falling off is more impressive than punching him once and having him say "...wow..." all groggily.



Well the Hulk recently ripped a piece of his forehead off.


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Not only is Masterson in Thors body, but hes also wielding Mjolnir, THE Mjolnir, not some other enchanted weapon.

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Because Thor with Mjolnir is a beast? Let alone when he's phucking pissed off?

And I'd say physically wrecking Ben literally to the point where chunks of his body is falling off is more impressive than punching him once and having him say "...wow..." all groggily.


But Thing withstood 3 licks from WWH and it was stated on panel that Green Scar hits harder than Thor.

http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/...lks620027-1.jpg


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That doesn't prove anything. Neither masterson nor thor were holding back. Answer the question, is masterson controlling thor's body somehow less strong than thor controlling thor's body? If yes, how?


Yeah, Masterson in control of Thor's body is weaker than Thor controlling it. Namely because Masterson's noobness extended to virtually every aspect of his being, not just powers in the general sense with Mjolnir. When he was unsure of himself, he got hurt more often than he should have if he was really Thor. His strength displays were mediocre in comparison to Thor. We also have dialogue coming from his own mouth and others that while he was Thor and/or possessed the power of Thor, he wasn't the real deal.

Same way how someone who mindswaps into another body can't fully access powers in the same way the original can.

I mean, we see it clearly on panel. We see a clear difference between power showings between Masterson and the real Thor. Why we're arguing it beyond me.


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But Thing withstood 3 licks from WWH and it was stated on panel that Green Scar hits harder than Thor.

http://s663.photobucket.com/albums/...lks620027-1.jpg
Umm thats a Hulk comic written by Pak if i can remember erm


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In Thor 455. Gladiator fight was in Thor 445.


I think you got your issue numbers wrong because I know what scene you are talking about. Let me see if I can find it...one sec.


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