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Beta Ray Bill and Thor (Weaponless) versus Hulk
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Originally posted by roughrider
Pure h2h, Thor has managed to stalemate Hulk in the past. What do you think TWO just like him will be able to do?

Deal with it.



if you knew the character you would know he does better if he faces team

Namor gave troubles to the Hulk in the past.

Two avengers team could not stop him. Thanks Banner if they are still alive.

Think about that, dude stick out tongue

Thor + Beta Ray Bill are not > two avengers teams.

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You bringing up the other Bannerless Hulk time, when they were seperated and Hulk fought all Avengers ( except Thor was not there - how interesting)at the same time? How much sense did that make - Iron Man and Namor have been able to stop a Savage Hulk in the past, but when they are fighting alongside several others they can't?

I know my Hulk history, junior. I was watching the Hulk TV show on friday nights as a kid, so my knowledge goes back.


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it's two feckin' gods! GODS! they win for the single reason that they are gods immortal


Unlike the Oylmpian gods, Asgardian gods are not immortal. If they sustain enough bodily harm, they can die.


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Some of you make it seem like Hulk attains Kurse-level strength/durability within 10 seconds.

Namor/Doc Samson/Abomination have all INDIVIDUALLY KO'd Savage Hulk physically, generating sufficient force to overcome his increasing strength and durability threshold. There's no way of measuring what these thresholds are as they vary with Hulk's anger level.

To say that Thor/BRB can't KO Hulk H2H is to say that Thor/BRB can't deliver equal or greater concussive force than the attack/attacks that Namor/Doc/Abomination used to dispatch Hulk.

To say that Thor couldn't KO in the encounters they've had is only to say that either Thor wasn't using enough force to KO Hulk, or that Hulk had reached a durability level where he was incapable of being incapacitated by the force of Thor's assault.

BRB is much more aggressive than Thor. Hulk is KO'd.

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Originally posted by roughrider
Pure h2h, Thor has managed to stalemate Hulk in the past. What do you think TWO just like him will be able to do?

Deal with it.

Stalemate him some more?

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You bringing up the other Bannerless Hulk time, when they were seperated and Hulk fought all Avengers ( except Thor was not there - how interesting)at the same time? How much sense did that make - Iron Man and Namor have been able to stop a Savage Hulk in the past, but when they are fighting alongside several others they can't?

I know my Hulk history, junior. I was watching the Hulk TV show on friday nights as a kid, so my knowledge goes back.

Yes, it made sense.

Namor stopped him underwater and Iron Man only managed to so with a cheap shot. Other than that, neither one has managed to KO Hulk on land.

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Some of you make it seem like Hulk attains Kurse-level strength/durability within 10 seconds.

Namor/Doc Samson/Abomination have all INDIVIDUALLY KO'd Savage Hulk physically, generating sufficient force to overcome his increasing strength and durability threshold. There's no way of measuring what these thresholds are as they vary with Hulk's anger level.

To say that Thor/BRB can't KO Hulk H2H is to say that Thor/BRB can't deliver equal or greater concussive force than the attack/attacks that Namor/Doc/Abomination used to dispatch Hulk.

To say that Thor couldn't KO in the encounters they've had is only to say that either Thor wasn't using enough force to KO Hulk, or that Hulk had reached a durability level where he was incapable of being incapacitated by the force of Thor's assault.

BRB is much more aggressive than Thor. Hulk is KO'd.

Doc Samson only knocked Hulk out when Hulk thought he was an illusion and didn't even want to fight him. He was as calm as possible. Namor has only managed to knock Hulk out underwater. Much more recently, after Hulk adapted underwater, Namor couldn't repeat the same feat. And Abomination hasn't had a victory since his first fight with Hulk. Hulk's practically beaten the guy to death on more than occasion.

If BRB acts more aggressive to Hulk in this fight, Hulk will just respond by getting angrier, stronger, blah, blah, blah.

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Angry Hulk can't be knocked out?

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Hmmm....

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I'm not convinced of that.

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Originally posted by Accel
Doc Samson only knocked Hulk out when Hulk thought he was an illusion and didn't even want to fight him. He was as calm as possible. Namor has only managed to knock Hulk out underwater. Much more recently, after Hulk adapted underwater, Namor couldn't repeat the same feat. And Abomination hasn't had a victory since his first fight with Hulk. Hulk's practically beaten the guy to death on more than occasion.

If BRB acts more aggressive to Hulk in this fight, Hulk will just respond by getting angrier, stronger, blah, blah, blah.


Calm or not, it shows that Hulk can and most likely will be ko'd in early in this fight.

Namor actually one shotted Hulk, again shows that BRB and Thor should easily be able to do the same in this match up.

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And Thor has beaten Hulk to death wink


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I'm not convinced of that.

Never said he couldn't be knocked out, but considering that guy actually drained Hulk of his gamma radiation, it's really not a good example to use.

Remember when Mongoose nearly took Thor out with a flurry of punches while he was gassed?

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Calm or not, it shows that Hulk can and most likely will be ko'd in early in this fight.

When he’s calm…

Here, he’s not.
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Namor actually one shotted Hulk, again shows that BRB and Thor should easily be able to do the same in this match up.

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It’s not a one-shot when Namor needed to heal in the water. A one-shot implies one character easily knocked out the other. Not to mention Thor has never one-shotted Hulk before. Really doesn’t speak well of him, now does it?
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And Thor has beaten Hulk to death wink

And in about a dozen other fights, he couldn’t, even when he tried. Consistency, my friend.

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When he’s calm…

Here, he’s not.

It’s not a one-shot when Namor needed to heal in the water. A one-shot implies one character easily knocked out the other. Not to mention Thor has never one-shotted Hulk before. Really doesn’t speak well of him, now does it?

And in about a dozen other fights, he couldn’t, even when he tried. Consistency, my friend.


Who said he wasn't calm?

He was ko'd by Namor, actually while he was enraged.

I've said all along Thor jobs to Hulk, just as Hulk jobbs to Wolverine. However all that was made up when Thor killed Hulk.

They've fought about 6 times, most ended in stalemates. Thor finally killed Hulk, when it was of no consequence to his popularity.

If you wanna get technical, Thor and BRB have displayed far greater feats of durability than Hulk has. Just another advantage they have in this fight.


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Who said he wasn't calm?

For this fight? No one, which is why it’s not most likely that he’ll simply be knocked out.
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He was ko'd by Namor, actually while he was enraged.

He wasn’t even that mad AND it was underwater. Hulk seemed pretty weak whenever he couldn’t breathe back int he old days.
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I've said all along Thor jobs to Hulk, just as Hulk jobbs to Wolverine. However all that was made up when Thor killed Hulk.

In pure H2H, no he doesn’t. It’s just that he can’t put Hulk down when fighting like that. You seriously need to realize this.
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They've fought about 6 times, most ended in stalemates. Thor finally killed Hulk, when it was of no consequence to his popularity.

They’ve fought more times than that and in some, Thor gets his ass handed to him. In two of those stalemates, Thor was out for blood and Hulk didn’t want to fight him.

Popularity has very little to do with it.
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If you wanna get technical, Thor and BRB have displayed far greater feats of durability than Hulk has. Just another advantage they have in this fight.

They are far from significantly greater, if at all. Not that it matters, since Hulk also becomes more durable as he becomes stronger.

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For this fight? No one, which is why it’s not most likely that he’ll simply be knocked out.

He wasn’t even that mad AND it was underwater. Hulk seemed pretty weak whenever he couldn’t breathe back int he old days.

In pure H2H, no he doesn’t. It’s just that he can’t put Hulk down when fighting like that. You seriously need to realize this.

They’ve fought more times than that and in some, Thor gets his ass handed to him. In two of those stalemates, Thor was out for blood and Hulk didn’t want to fight him.

Popularity has very little to do with it.

They are far from significantly greater, if at all. Not that it matters, since Hulk also becomes more durable as he becomes stronger.


Um thats what we've been saying. confused

He wasn't that mad, apparently Thor wasn't mad when he stalemated Hulk in their previous battles. roll eyes (sarcastic)

Yes he does. Thor due to his speed, skill, and massive strength, should be able to quickly dispose of Hulk.

Has Hulk ever killed Thor? I wonder why?

Has Thor ever killed Hulk? I wonder why?

It doesn't? laughing

We've seen how writers write the Hulk when it's no consequence to his popularity. Most times he ends up dead, because the writers have the ability to bring his character back.

And even at his angriest, his durability feats don't compare to Thor's. Only shows the advantage that two Thor's have.


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Never said he couldn't be knocked out, but considering that guy actually drained Hulk of his gamma radiation, it's really not a good example to use.

Remember when Mongoose nearly took Thor out with a flurry of punches while he was gassed?


Mongoose just annoyed Thor at best; victory was hardly hanging in the balance. When Thor got mad, Mongoose ran away pretty fast.


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Um thats what we've been saying. confused

What, that Hulk won’t be knocked easily in the beginning? You’ve said the exact opposite of that.
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He wasn't that mad, apparently Thor wasn't mad when he stalemated Hulk in their previous battles. roll eyes (sarcastic)

I said he wasn’t that mad. You throw out “enraged” like he was in “Hulk smash!” mode or something.
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Yes he does. Thor due to his speed, skill, and massive strength, should be able to quickly dispose of Hulk.

Oi vey…

We’ve gone over this. Thor has no strength advantage. At all.

He’s not even that much faster, if at all. He’s not dodging Hulk’s attacks the majority of the time, if at all.

And his skill level is that of a brawler.

NONE of that gives him the victory over Hulk and NONE of that indicates jobbing.

Good lord, they’ve been stalemating since day one, even when neither one was that popular.
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Has Hulk ever killed Thor? I wonder why?

Has Thor ever killed Hulk? I wonder why?

Who knows? Thor's hammer does appear in Future Imperfect, which strongly implies Thor's not alive any more in that timeline.
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It doesn't? laughing

No, it doesn't. They've been stalemating each other since day one. Fans love fights between these two too much for a decisive winner, which is why Hulk just suddenyl stopped getting stronger when he stalemated Thor for an hour.
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We've seen how writers write the Hulk when it's no consequence to his popularity. Most times he ends up dead, because the writers have the ability to bring his character back.

So every time Hulk doesn’t lose or die, it’s because he’s too popular? That’s some of the worst logic I’ve heard yet.
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And even at his angriest, his durability feats don't compare to Thor's. Only shows the advantage that two Thor's have.

Yes, they do. Especially if you go by average, Thor’s durability isn’t that hot.

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Mongoose just annoyed Thor at best; victory was hardly hanging in the balance. When Thor got mad, Mongoose ran away pretty fast.

He knocked him down and nearly knocked him out with just 10 to 20 super fast punches. Thor was helpless against him and even compared him to an Asgardian Troll.

He was much more than just a nuiscance.

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