Its quite possible that Bawa is dozens of times faster than Ichigo's running speed.
We don't know Bawa's speed, and that's an unquantifiable parameter. So I see no reason why you're bringing him up just for the sake of downlaying
Wut?
Its not a BS statement just because pixel-scaling doesn't agree with you. Kubo doesn't draw to scale. Since when did we become the authors to accept or throw out a statement from credible characters?
And there's quite a lot of proof that Seireitei is atleast large Island sized, possibly country.
There's nothing wrong about Bawabawa being faster than Ichigo, who wasn't using shunpo at that time and probably just running at peak human speed with Chad and Uryu.
And you still haven't given me an answer as to why they didn't object to Nel's statement if it was BS. They had a good idea of its size after travelling towards it.
Nothing wrong with Yoruichi's statement. It stacks up quite perfectly with other manga evidence we have for Seireitei's size
Nah, nothing points to Las Noches being any smaller than a city apart from weird pixel-scaling, when its common knowledge that author's don't draw to scale
@BS:
Based on? The /only/ evodexd to its speed was when it was chasing Nel, showing peak human running speed. If you'd like to assume more you'll need proof. Until then, this is the only speed we can give. So either find actual evidence to support them riding Bawa at supersonic speeds, or accept the only known evidence.
Is that really your argument style? Find a single point to talk about then ignore the rest? (please log in to view the image)
According to Yoruichi the diameter which we see in this picture is 1,000km long. Your official, 'cant deny no matter what' statements say this. Y'know, Even though we know the hill in the centre isn't that tall.. and even if the 4 gate giants are a quarter of the height of the walls.. but no, its officially a thousand km right?
Can you honestly look at every single image of Seireitei and say its as large as her word says? Keeping in mind that we can see two of these 'ten days apart' gates in that very picture.
Don't let the next response simply be "No he has /never/ drawn Seireitei to this size. Ever" because you're just asking for us to call into question his scale reliability.
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They were just playing at that time, duh. It was a gag scene. If DBZ has a gag scene showing Goku or Gohan playing tag with kids for fun, it doesn't restrict their speed to that level.
Just because that's the only scan we have doesn't limit Bawa's speed from being as fast as a car. And no one said he's supersonic.
So another example of bad art by Kubo, which is nothing surprising as it happens quite often in manga.
Kubo's sense of scale is not reliable as I said.
I have listed 4 different points above that point to Seireitei being many times larger than a city, and all you give me for an argument is some inconsistent pixel scaling? C'mon, give me a break...
Because Naruto fans like the guy above me keep using double standards (ie. using pixel scaling to downplay Bleach, while not using it for their own verse when it goes against them)
@BS: No, it was the only scene we have so like I said, prove he can go faster or say nothing on it. Either way, that's his official fastest speed. Hah no one's saying supersonic? You're suggesting that he's dozens of times Ichigo's speed to push him to /at least/ half supersonic and then several times that speed to reach what Ichigo failed to. Remember, you're supporting that Bawa could do in a relatively short time what Ichigo failed to even get close to with a day of peak human running. Do you realise how fast or how long that would be? I'm not saying supersonic or a week for the sake of it. I'm saying it because that's literally the minimum needed for Bawa.
Now time to use your argument against itself. There are a over a dozen images showing , how many show mountain ranges? None. Now, where did we see mountain ranges? One scan in the entire manga. Now this is a guy you yourself admit is a poor artist, so why is it you see a single image and hold that above all everything else that the manga shows? Either it's a range /outside/ of the walls, or its your admitted inconsistent art. Or the third option, you belieb this one scan proves everything and just show some bias.
It's not even pixel scaling. And you would have known that if you've been properly reading my posts. I mean please, get a better argument? Your great points amount to a movie line which is inconsistent to other statements (well done there), mountains that you admit aren't only in that one scan due to poor art skills, and a single line you say someone else say means there are 12k districts when all the character says was a number, nothing more. No but we're to see this and say 'yes, Seireitei alone is larger than Madagascar'?
Give me some consistent and real evidence.
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Which we both know is BS, since other pixel scaling calcs have it at city sized.
Those mountains were inside Seireitei as Ukitake was shown to be inside in the same chapter.
Yes, Kubo is a bad artist so keep aside all the drawings he makes since they're inconsistent as f**k. Don't judge something's size by how he draws it. What he says in the manga is way more credible than what he draws
1. How is the movie line inconsistent to other statements? Its consistent with what Yoruichi said, and just confirms what we already knew.
2. what makes you say that the scan with the mountains was because of poor art, and not the scan which you showed?
3. And c'mon, don't tell me that 12 districts is smaller than a city when we all know that an average district in japan is city sized and each of those 12000+ areas in it can comfortably hold over 60 people.
Finally if you wan't consistent evidence, then visuals/pixel scaling is not be what you should be looking at, because all the scans that show Seireitei are inconsistent as hell.
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We have a feat that isn't contradicting anything. Its a feat unless you can somehow disprove it. Aha as fast as a car? No. See, the 'dozens of times Ichigo's speed' only takes Bawa to the same distance Ichigo covered, that being the one where he made no dent in covering. Which means that distance is a fraction needed, meaning the speed is a fraction needed.
Prove Bawa is that fast or admit the plot hole in this section. Because as you're obviously missing, this is the absolute minimum speed needed for Bawa for Ichigo's running scene to make sense.
Or you're just further proving that Kubo doesn't know his shit when it comes to scaling. Consistency has been the best way to judge feats. Do you know the consistency here? Dozens of images showing Seireitei at a similar size throughout. Compared to one line saying its the size of Madagascar, and one image showing mountains that's curiously not there when revising the scene.
But yes, its perfectly fine to ignore all consistent showings in favour of single pages that cannot be proven at any point in the manga. Not only that but also has the latter follow in line with your constant "nah its cool cause the guy's shit at drawing". With your own logic your mountains point is scrapped. "Kubo is a bad artist so keep aside all the drawings he makes since they're inconsistent as f**k" Right?
1. Was meaning to ask where you got this. Because that line only seems to appear in the dub, while all the subs say 200 locations. (But lol if the goo is meant to be covering over 700km. No excuse on artist this time either)
2. Because every single piece showing Seireitei fails to show any mountains. But hey, hes a crappy artist so who cares right?
3. Again with the 12000 thing.. Anyhow go confirm the districts then confirm their size.
Yeah, seeing as she took 3 shunpos to cover the bridge to stand on the adjacent building? Colour me impressed. Those disks which are shown to be smaller than the Seireitie from that one overview scan?
Anyhow its just funny that you can even mention consistency when ignoring everything but one or two select reasons, while ignoring all the rest. Heck even the anime keeps a consistent size to the manga.
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Nel is a masochist. They were going full speed. Statement directly from the all-knowledgable, never incorrect, Nel.
Yeah. No statements other than him being equivalent in speed to a 10 year old little girl.
Ukitake wasn't in Seireitei. He was only in Soul society. Also, even if that was true, that's the only scan with mountains. There are TWO that don't have them, and are at different times. It's 2:1. No mountains.
You have listed one singular statement from a cat, early on. Pixel scaling >>> You.
Double standards? Coming from the guy pinning Kubo as bad at scaling, and still saying Kishi draws it to a nanometers precision.
Stahp.
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