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It said it's as POWERED UP as you, you're old you. This is common sense what they are saying. Another question, because 1, we already have conformation they measured Hercs using Hercules FULL PUNCH and the maximum output from that punch. Then we have confirmation that 1.3 Hercs is as powered up as ONE Hercules. Next question, since you're saying Hercules punches are mystical and we've seen what mystical attacks does to someone like Superman, can Hercules one punch KO Superman? Dont say we're getting off track since you've mentioned numerous of characters in this topic.


We have confirmation that Hercs are the amount of energy that mythological items/people radiate, nothing more.

You are deliberately - do you not understand what I am typing? Do you have fire punches? Do your fists give off flames? You have seen what fire does to ice, can you 1 punch KO a glacier? So to answer your question, no, I don't think so, because unless you can equate DC mystical attacks to a Herc, it's impossible to scale - which has been my entire point.

Your hands radiate body heat. But that doesn't mean you're melting icebergs or melting steel or whatever.


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Wait wait wait.

I just realised your mistake in the sentence.

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Then we have confirmation that 1.3 Hercs is as powered up as ONE Hercules.


WTF?


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Your point still doesnt make one bit of sense. She said one Herc is equal to the maximum amount of ENERGY Herc can extend in one punch. Nothing about mystical energy since Herc doesnt dish out mystical attacks in a punch. Then, I'm going to keep saying this until it stick to your brain cell. It was said on panel that 1 Hercules is equal to Hercules at full power. This is why you are being ignored because your argument...


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Lol... so in this scan, when they say "it's as powered up as 1.3 of you, the old you", what do they mean by that? Lol

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1.3 Herc means it's as powered up as you, the old awesome you. Seems pretty clear to me.


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Your point still doesnt make one bit of sense. She said one Herc is equal to the maximum amount of ENERGY Herc can extend in one punch. Nothing about mystical energy since Herc doesnt dish out mystical attacks in a punch.


Except Herc, as a mythological person, radiates energy that is measured in Hercs:
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Then, I'm going to keep saying this until it stick to your brain cell. It was said on panel that 1 Hercules is equal to Hercules at full power. This is why you are being ignored because your argument...


And? They are saying back when Herc was the Immortal Hercules, he was at 1 Herc. Then, when he was depowered to Mortal Hercules, he was LESS than that. I don't understand what this has to do with anything. They are saying it is as magical as 1.3 Immortal Herculeses (the old awesome Hercules), not 1.3 Mortal Herculeses (the version that was running around Brooklyn).....

Did you genuinely misunderstand that?


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laughing out loud


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laughing out loud


It's like me measuring things in ....Tysons. The old, awesome Tyson - not the current one.

Do you not understand? What's funny?


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It said 1.3 Herc means it is as power up as 1.3 of you, the old you. Not only did you add extra to this sentence, you made it sound bad. If I said Dark, with your amp, you're as powered up as 1 Superman, the awesome Superman. What does that mean to you?


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It said 1.3 Herc means it is as power up as 1.3 of you, the old you. Not only did you add extra to this sentence, you made it sound bad. If I said Dark, with your amp, you're as powered up as 1 Superman, the awesome Superman. What does that mean to you?


It means I am as powered up as the awesome version of Superman, so like....Superman 1Million, I guess.


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Gotcha. In the scan you posted, Herc is weakened, human level weakened. It said 1.3 Hercs means it is as powered up as 1.3 Hercules (means that it is as powerful as 1 Hercules plus interest due to that .3). It then goes on to say the OLD you (which means that it isnt talking about the weakling Hercules, its talking about the full powered Hercules), the awesome you. It is basically saying ONE HERC equals ONE FULL POWERED HERC. Theres no way around this.


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Gotcha. In the scan you posted, Herc is weakened, human level weakened. It said 1.3 Hercs means it is as powered up as 1.3 Hercules (means that it is as powerful as 1 Hercules plus interest due to that .3). It then goes on to say the OLD you (which means that it isnt talking about the weakling Hercules, its talking about the full powered Hercules), the awesome you. It is basically saying ONE HERC equals ONE FULL POWERED HERC. Theres no way around this.


Erm...

Ok, I don't know if you're being silly or whatever, but....in that scan I posted, as you say, Herc is Depowered. He was actually mortal, like a normal human.

So ZERO Hercs. Because he had no mystical energy. So Baba Yagas house, which IS mystical (being, you know...a chicken legged house) was as magical as Herc when he was....magical, lol.

I don't know what your trying to spin lmao.


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laughing out loud laughing out loud laughing out loud... I'm done. And no, I'm not conceding, I'm just tired of talking to you.


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laughing out loud laughing out loud laughing out loud... I'm done


Again - imagine it doesn't say mystic energy, but heat energy.

Let's use Muhammad Ali in his prime. The amount of heat (magic) he (Hercules) radiates is measured in Alis (Hercs).

The maximum energy he radiates when punching is....1 Ali (1 Herc).

Now, he's...well, he's dead (depowered). But my phone (Baba Yaga's house), when gaming (walking around), outputs 1.3 Alis (1.3 Hercs). The old, awesome Ali (Herc), back when he was...you know, radiating heat (magic).

I mean, let's take Ali on his deathbed, so still alive, and still radiating heat. 1 Ali is still relative to when he was in his prime, not relative to current Ali.

Honestly, am trying to see how it is possible for you to misunderstand. Keep at this, carver, either you realise you're wrong, or I realise I am wrong. Let's keep KMC alive with debate.


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What's the issue and issue number to that comic? Anyone knows?


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Dark, if someone say I'm as powered up as 1 Juggernaut, I'm not going to dissect that to being as powered up as just his invulnerability, or his force field. That means I'm just as powerful as Juggernaut. That sentence said nothing about being as mystically powerful as Hercules. It said it is as powerful as 1.3 Hercules. Thats a clear statement.


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Dark, if someone say I'm as powered up as 1 Juggernaut, I'm not going to dissect that to being as powered up as just his invulnerability, or his force field. That means I'm just as powerful as Juggernaut.

Yes, but if I use units that SPECIFICALLY relate to his magic, then I'd say you're as powerful as him magically.

Or to use a better analogy, if I say you're giving off 5 decibels, we're all gonna know it's related to sound.

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What's the issue and issue number to that comic? Anyone knows?


Immortal Herc 009 my man. The name is in the link lol.


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Dark, if someone say I'm as powered up as 1 Juggernaut, I'm not going to dissect that to being as powered up as just his invulnerability, or his force field. That means I'm just as powerful as Juggernaut. That sentence said nothing about being as mystically powerful as Hercules. It said it is as powerful as 1.3 Hercules. Thats a clear statement.


It clearly said it was MYSTIC energy reading lol. If my microphone picks up 7db, then you don't go around saying it's 7db of heat lol. If my scales measure you as 179 pounds, you don't assume it means height, or age.....pounds = weight.


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That not what the sentence said. The sentence said that thing is as powerful as 1.3 Hercules.


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That not what the sentence said. The sentence said that thing is as powerful as 1.3 Hercules.


No. Now, read the following very carefully.

It says they're getting a mystic energy reading of 1.3 Hercs (which I've already shown is a unit of energy radiating from mythological beings).

That means it's as powered up as 1.3 Immortal Herculeses (the book is Herc, btw, not Immortal Herc).

Not sure where the misunderstanding is coming from. It blatantly says it's a mystic energy reading. And is in units of Hercs. Which measures the energy radiating off mythical beings.

I know you're trying to make out that it's the TOTAL energy output of 1.3 Hercs. But that's not what the scan is saying - again, replace mystic with 'heat'. If my heat energy readings from my phone are 1.3 Carvers ( and 1 Carv is the amount of energy you radiate when you punch), you can't just say it's equal to 1.3 Carvers punching me in the hand.

Now go back and read the above paragraph again. Slowly. And read it a second time. Then again. Word by word. Don't skim read, please.


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]You sitting on a toilet or eating a sandwich also radiates energy. It was a direct comparison as to how much power an Immortal Hercules can hit with in one punch. You can turn this into a circular argument for whatever it's worth, but you'll never be able to explain away the ridiculous numbers that come later. Like Wendigo and Bi-Beast at x1000 greater than base being overcome by the Hulk at far less than what he was when he went into the Dark Dimension. Again he has no limit cap.
it’s not how much power he can hit with it’s how much mystic energy he is expending when he hits. The power of his punch is not equal to the amount of mystic energy that is coming out of him.

1 herc is the amount of mystic energy he lets out while punching and it is not equal to the power of his punch.

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