Namors bio says that he can lift 40 tons out of water, but he lifts more than 40 tons on a regular basis thats not PIS?
Classic Luke Cage in his bio says that he can only lift 3 tons but lifts more than 3 tons on a regular basis, thats not PIS?
Quicksilvers bio said that he could run up to 172 miles per hour but he could run faster on a regular basis, thats not PIS.
In one comic Quicksilver vibrated his body so fast that he became invisible...it doesnt say anything in his profile about him being able to do that....PIS?
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If Namors normal limit is 40 tons and in a fit of rage lifted more then no it is not PIS, if he does so regularly without some type of emotional stimulus then yes it is PIS. The same applies to the other characters. As for Quicksilver if this is a new powerset that he has developed then it is not PIS. If a new power or ability is given to a character then it is not PIS if it falls inline with their powers such as Quicksilver, this is judged on a case by case.
I don’t know why you keep bring up things that are not relevant. You said that Cap can dodge a laser, which means he would have to react and think faster than the speed of light, do you honestly think that he can, or does it make more sense that he is dodging the shooter and reacting before he shoots then actually dodging the projectile?
Well im sorry both Namor and Cage have been shown to lift way above their strength range and not always in a fit of rage obvoulsy will power was exerted. So basically there alot of other super heroes that do PIS as well.
They are relevant you say cap should not be able to do certain things because his bio says so, when there are loads of superheroes who are more powerful than what their bios illustrate.
Ok does the fact that Wonder Woman is vulnerbale to bullets and arrows make sense evnthough she has class 100 strength make sense?
Does the fact that Spiderman can get hurt by knives and bats by people who are 30 times weaker than him make sense?
There are lots of thing in comics that dont make sense.
Also another way of looking at it is this. If the comics contradict the bios then the bios can be wrong. The bios are just theory and as you know practical life often contradicts theory.
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I have said many times that there is a lot of PIS in comics because it makes a good story line and enjoyable for the reader, however it doesn’t mean that it is not PIS. Cap dodging a bullet “after” it has been fired is PIS and major PIS to dodge lasers because that would put him with reflexes FAR beyond that of any human and even most mutants.
The same that I look at people doing nerve strikes on the Hulk, he skin is so strong that bullets and even lasers will bounce off him and not even break the skins so any human shouldn’t be able to strike a nerve if a bullet can’t even break the skin.
Edit: By the way how strong you are and how resistant you are to damage are two different things.
Its funny to read Weyoun and Ichigo arguing a few pages back. It seems as though both know exactly what the other is trying to say yet neither wish to admit they do. Both of you have very valid points.
Weyoun your view is exactly what almost every cinematic picture tries to bring to the big screen. Take Rocky for example. He is a man who is physically inferior to all the opponents he faces. Yet he has the heart and will of a "tiger" which gives him that little extra advantage to pull out the win against even the greatest of adversaries. So yes i agree with you that heart, desire, will and strategy (in Caps case) are enourmous factors in any fight or battle.
Now, you have to understand that those intangibles can only take you so far. We're not talking about human vs. human here. It's enhanced human vs. Super human freaks with incredible physical attributes. When your dealing with an opponent who is vastly superior in every physical aspect it becomes extremely difficult to will yourself to defeat them. You brought up the case of Ali vs. Foreman as an example for you argument. The thing about that specific example is that Ali was not as physically inferior to Foreman as Cap is to let say Ironman (you know the stats). So really you can't compare the two. Now i know comics are very unrealistic to begin with and things happen all the time that defy normality, but you have to be able to apply some realism to the things that happen or else nothing would make much sense. So yes Cap's will could get him victories over the likes of Wolverine, Beast, and maybe even Spiderman once in a while, but there is no way that he should be putting down people such as Ironman, Namor, or Hulk no matter how much he "wants it".
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Well if both fought to full potential and not counting acts of nature like a building falling down that Spiderman happens to be on Cap should never be able to beat Spider-Man.
sure cap should be able to win against the like's of wolverine, beast, won't see him win most of the time, since those two are like animals beast's like a lion these day's woverine with his claws and healing factor is also a freaking animal.
But cap's not a normal human, he's peak human.
But he should stop there he shouldn't be superhuman, he's suppose to be the perfect example. Not a freak.
Someone also started a topic that cap wasn't peak human in strenght, but superhuman.
He's not suppose to be superhuman.
("Captain America represents the pinnacle of human physical perfection")
Don't get me wrong even thow I'm from Holland, I still like him, don't mind to see him win some fights that he should, but than again he's suppose to win it, to show people how strong his heart and his will is.
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They really need to change how they describe Cap with the stuff he does he is so beyond peak human its not even funny, hell he does stuff that ones classified as “super human” can’t even do.
Well I agree, the problem is they want to have their cake and eat it. They want cap to be a human being who can defeat superhumans, but in order to do that you need to have something superhuman about him. To be fair he has been described as enhanced human.
Also when they say peak human they are implying that peak human is superhuman. You know some people think psionic powers are available at peak human level.
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Firstly, will people PLEASE leave superman out of this...
yes, he has the will to win, but he also has the powers in most cases to back it up... and the fact that he pretty much never uses his full abilities to the full...
another thing... i saw someone say that logic doesn't apply in comics... which is wrong, logic does apply, its just that writers sometimes tend to ignore it, physics, as we know them, and the general boundaries of science don't...
cap lasting against iron man is PIS, why? tony is stronger (f*ckin hell, he's herculean compared to cap), just as fast (edit: faster), and his suit gives him insane durability... given cap's abilities, logically (see, there it is) he should have no chance against Iron man... yet he does,and why? PIS...
because simply put... no matter how angry or willful you are, ability still plays a huge part in winning or losing a fight...
if absorbing man is within arms reach of cap, then cap should end up decorating the nearest wall with his own brain...
its only smarts in very small cases, most of the time its just plain Plot Induced Stupidity...
in short, PIS in a lot of cases = absence of logic...
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