i dont think any of the guys jaspers or the chaos wave could have defeated someone like the preconned beyonder, and thats really just annoying that now marvel has multiverses what nonsense.
False, you assume that marvel is utterly flawless in their creations (or there are no contradictions on panel). These writers are not scientists?
You also assume this stuff is real.
There is more than one universal embodiment and thus why not more than one multiversal embodiment?
You can't use bio as proof and then call a part of the same bio a mistake (without proof).
That is to say, you can just pick and choose what you deem as a mistake without proof. Even when I just proved that the panel doesn't contradict the bio. Thus rendering your only means of proof useless. "His great scheme of things" doesn't imply that TOAA don't have the same great scheme of things. It is possible that the writers had both TOAA and LT involved with the brothers. And it is a contradiction to assume that TOAA don't know why (or only LT knows why). For TOAA knows all (he is omniscient).
How do you know that LT did all the work?
Because it was never said on panel (or even implied).
How do you know that the brothers will become megaverses (they're not yet in the scan) and not multiverses or universes? And you can't say because all the universal and multiversal embodiments are already covered (How do you know this?-or is this just speculation).
How do you know that the brothers in the scan is not just a vision (or image of them-like a hologram)? These are abstract beings now. For example, just because you see LT's Mbody doesn't mean that is all of him. He exists in all universes of the multiverse and is thus abstract.
And what is with the constant posting of "Wheel of Destiny" stuff?
This doesn't show that LT has megaversal power or even multiversal power (but at least universal power). You can spin destiny on your hand of one single universe (if you were the supreme omnipotent of that universe) or galaxy or planet or your own life. You can even control destiny of the omniverse (if you're GOD). Thus destiny could have many different homes.
A reality is actually an universe. The architects of New Realities (the brothers) should only be assumed that they are at least (but not excluding) universal.
And about LT being the Judge of only one multiverse. I said Guardian (or is the same thing?).
It is in several scans my friend. I seen them with my own eyes here. Either you are lying, don't have the issues (and haven't seen the scans here), or are grossly misinterpreting the scans. I will bet you a hundred dollars to a donut that there exist at least two sources (at least one on panel) that it mentions that LT is the Judge (or Guardian) of only one multiverse. Most know this and have seen it.
And if you still don't know what I'm talking about then say so. For I will show you what I'm talking about with the scan(s) and then you must explain yourself because your reputation will then be on the line.
But at least you said that I got you with the "differences in universes" idea.
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He is judge of Marvel's Ominiverse. The Ultimator quite literally is Everything and not only is it everything, it shows that it has the power to own every thing, even beings such as mxy who can effortlessly whipe aways several multiverses and put them back together like nothing. You can't even destroy the Ultimator. The LT can and has been beaten.
all i am saying is living tribunal exists to judge and safeguard. he's the only one appointed for that. no one comes close. i will give credit to ultimator. just my opinion, i wield the avatar living tribunal still wins.
you agree to easily, even the LT doesnt have power over certain things, he cant just always say he can do this and that, sometimes his judgements have been overridden even by dr strange, or at least he's been defied, his powers have even been copied where he needed help from a freaking celestial, there is no such thing as MARVELS omniverse not logically since omni means EVERYTHING meaning all universes including our own, marvel needs to get there definitions straight.
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"the Living Tribunal also helped fashion the twin Entities the BROTHERS, each of whom became the guardian of a different Megaverse, within the larger Omniverse but encompassing MORE than a single Multiverse" (please log in to view the image)
That's why I know.
Then you were wrong.
LT is the Judge,
Roma is the Guardian.
"Either I'm lying or don't have the issues?"
How about,
considering for one moment, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.
Bring it duke,
I challenge you to produce a scan, that conclusively states,
LT is restricted to One Multiverse.
You haven't "gotten" me with anything.
I been knowing the scale of power of Other Universes is below that of the 616 Universe. (you never taught me that)
its easy to accept a fact, than argue over nonsense. living tribunal/scathan killed protege. no one else did. u try and figure me out, my stance is eternal, no one is above living tribunal save the one above all in marvel. i told ya before, i honor ur opinion. i have mine. it is that simple
I do not usually disagree with you Mr. Master, but the entire HOTU story arc completely contradicts what you are representing.
The HOTU ultimately made Thanos a multiverse, nothing more and nothing less, Thanos was then able to see the other countless multiverses just as like himself.
Now Thanos with the power of a multiverse was able to completely overpower and assimilate the LT.
This brings me to several thoughts;
1) Their is one LT for every multiverse
2) If their is only one LT for all the megaverse, then even though he can effortlessly traverse multiverses, he is not more powerful then one.
3) LT is akin to eternity, one LT per multiverse, but their is one overall LT for the Megaverse.
1) Yes, he manifests in each Multiverse, as long for as he have control over them.
2) The title you are looking for is omniverse, Marvel is a omniverse.
3) No such thing has been proved/stated, don't base your idéas on theories.
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"I am seeking that Proverbial Loophole"......
I agree with most of what you say, except I do not agree that LT was only overcome because TOAA allowed it, it is the same as akin to saying the spectre is only defeated because the Source allows him to be.
From what was shown on panel, which is some thing I like very much about your debating style, it is not speculative for the most part.
What has been shown on panel is that the LT was overcome with the power of a multiverse, so though he may be claimed as the most powerful entity except for TOAA, going by on panel showings he is not.
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