To which I asked which.
Like the whole unified field theory thing? SvFL, is a shorthand that refers to any time when a character performs a feat that their powers and skills should be blatantly insufficient for, and is not repeated or is rarely repeated again relative to the character's overall established career. In statistical terms, it is an outlier, something that is radically beyond the character's established capabilities.
I think you mean unified field theory (see demi did it better...). Thus far I've seen no examples of him affecting strong and weak forces, and one relatively crappy example of him affecting gravity. On that basis he's living unified field theory and has sufficient gravitational control to create wormholes.
Weird things are important to me...
It's vastly beyond any control of gravitational force he's ever achieved, it involves the creation of a wormhole from no mass, it qualifies pretty well as SvFL.
SvFL, why Storm can't create sun lasers on the forum.
It's not exactly SvFL. Electromagnetic energy is related to wormholes as well. And he was going all out with his powers. Shit in comics doesn't make sense. You're trying to add a hint rationality to it which I find hilarious (no offense).
'Cause she's never done so before. And Magneto has created a wormhole before...
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Hmm I've more closely inspected and thought about the New Mutants scan. He says something like he "generates enough power to reverse gravity." which doesn't imply controlling gravity at all. It really means all he's doing is creating an opposite force to gravity, opposing gravitation with electromagnetic force. Gravity is the force of attraction between two bodies of mass, it's not a repulsive force that can be used to levitate.
Real-world rationale used in comics? Need I say more? If it states he reversed gravity in the scans, then it can be implied that he manipulated the gravitational forces of the area. It's like when Superman or someone pushes a planet. They assume the handstand position, right? Well, all that requires is thrust and and flight speed. However, the author implies that it required a tremendous amount of strength, thus dubbing it as a strength feat. Comic book writers aren't scientists, really...
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"Behold what occurs when I generate enough power to effectively reverse gravity."
The implication is that he used electromagnetism to create an oppositional force to gravity effectively reversing it. Not that he actually manipulated gravity.
Magneto doesnt have enough power to effect the WHOLE planet without a external powerup (Exodus, or tech)
Iceman on the other hand can coalesce loads of water vapor in one place and freeze it, the humidity all along the Eastern Seaboard would drop dramatically, we'd have wildcat lightning storms all over the place, cats and dogs living together, it would be anarchy, you see my point. (again for those who didnt understand he can coalesce all the water vapor in an area into a superdense solid, dropping the humidity rapidly, resulting in chaotic weather effects, mass electrical storms, hurricanes, tsunami's, tornados, ect.) Iceman CAN affect the planet since he can freeze as much water vapor as he wants. And all he has to do is hitch a ride in magnetos water supply, freeze him from the inside out and he dies )
Either way Iceman wins
Even WITH the scan (and it may or may not exist, and if it does it may or may not be the exactly what you want it to be) it would not prove that Iceman stopping Eric's complete molecular motion would power him up since an Ice shard is much less efficient offensively and is a more "physical" way of hurting someone. It is also different in terms of what it the event is actually doing.
Option A:
Physical confrontation with Ice Shard COULD POTENTIALLY (if the scan is accurate in your description) power Magneto up. What is the ice shard however? A physical object piercing flesh and making the persons insides cold because IT is cold. Not exactly all that great in terms of Comic Book "weapons".
Also freezing the environment in hopes that Magnetos internal temp would go down. Magneto DOES have a shield and in that way he could break free. Hell if your right the cold emanating from it MIGHT even power him up. However that is because his internal temp was not DIRECTLY affected. Thus we go on to Option B
Option B:
-Freezing his very molecules (We know Iceman doesn't "project cold", so then he must absorb or dissipate the heat. By the laws of thermodynamics, energy is constant, it cannot be created or destroyed. However, let's go to another scientific principle. Heat is a measurement of the internal kinetic energy of an object. The more those atoms and molecules are buzzing around, the hotter it is. Therefore he just efficiently and instantly STOPS those atoms and molecules thus "freezing" the object, or person)
-transmuting his very water supply into water vapor (wonder how fast that would kill him??)
-transmuting his head into water vapor (as shown that he can turn others into water vapor as well)
-rip all the water from Eric's body (completely dehydrating him into nothing but sand, and just making Iceman more powerful)
-freeze his water supply (flash freeze, ala legion)
-coalesce all the water vapor in an area into a superdense solid, dropping the humidity rapidly, resulting in chaotic weather effects, mass electrical storms, hurricanes, tsunami's, tornado's, etc.
All these effects do NOT need to go through Magnetos shield as they can directly effect his very self, and simply bypass it.
It seems to me the physical confrontations would be pathetic and much more limited compared to the more efficient ways to win. Also seems like they are two VERY different events, and such that even IF that scan that you like to use too much is accurate in your description it would have no bearing on the debate as is
If a magnet is heated alot, it loses it's magnetism.
And, if it's cooled, it increases the magnetism.
It's not the first time it's happened in comics. I think it was an episode of JLU, but it still held it's relevance, when Fire blasted Dr. Polaris, and temporarily cut out his powers
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