KMC Forums - Superman vs. Firelord and Terrax

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Originally posted by h1a8
The scan depends on the writer's intention. Since I wasn't the one to introduce the scan as proof then it is not I that have the burden of proof.
I proved that it is possible that the scan is hyperbole. There is no proof
to say otherwise (except the writer's confession). Now we should only accept a character's words as hyperbole if and only if it contradicts everything that has been shown for them. And since Surfer has never been shown with nanosecond reflexes then here his words are hyperbole.

You proved that the scan could possibly be hyprebole? You assume that there is a chance it is hyperbole. Which is fine, but do you know what that amounts to? A baseless opinion. Given the Silver Surfer's character and powerset, your baseless opinion is overshadowed by the greater chance that the feat is purely legitimate. The scan stands on its own as proof of his nanosecond reflexes.

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Originally posted by h1a8
Now it is common sense that SS didn't stay in the device for a nanosecond. Whether he bust through it in a nanosecond is entirely different. Thus relating the two is faulty. For example, Superman can be trapped in a block of ice for 2 seconds, then afterwards, he busts out in nanosecond time. So this example doesn't prove that he is able to break free out of something in a nanosecond. Do you understand?

The bottom-line is, Surfer had to react within a nanosecond to break free. If he didn't, he would have been in danger. I don't need to relate the the two. I'm looking at the one single instance that has been the focus of this scan. The bottom-line is, his consciousness registers the threat and assesses that if he doesn't break free in the next nanosecond, he's in danger. Then he breaks free. For you to argue against the plain illustration and text and presentation of the scan is ignorant.

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Originally posted by h1a8
A telepathic bolt is not telepathy (which includes communication or detection) my friend. For all we know a telepathic bolt could be a bolt made of intense fire traveling at 30m/s in which was created by the mind. When true telepathy is used it is invisible and intangible (no mass or energy to it). But this bolt was clearly made out of visible mass/energy (fire and gaslike).

Also the writer said the bolt "instantly racing towards" and not "instantly traveled across". For I can instantly race towards the door if I want to.
That doesn't mean I moving light speed. Its amazing how you went from "instantly racing towards" to "instananeous travel".

You know, the Phoenix tends to manifest its powers with firelike attributes. That's teh whole point of the Phoenix, I guess since the Phoenix travels around with a fire-like halo, you must believe that the Pheonix is not capable of superluminal flight either... And this is the REAL KICKER: "For all we know a tp bolt could be a 30m/s whazza-whu?"

Where the hell do you get this crap? Stop coloring the clear presentation of the scan with your baseless assumptions. Show me any comic that describes a telepathic bolt of energy travelling at 30 m/s. Where the hell did you even come up with that number? It's amazing that you can assert I'm exagerrating feats when you come up with these patently ridiculous assumptions that have NO BASIS WHATSOEVER. Silver Surfer speaks in hyperbole? Telepathic bolts travel at 30 m/s? This isn't even a debate anymore. It's degenerated into me pointing out that you're not debating at all. You spew out your opinions that have no basis and strut as if you've proved something.

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Originally posted by h1a8
The bolt didn't necessarily move very fast and Surfer doesn't fight very fast either. So if the bolt moved anywhere near lightspeed then it contradicts Thor's entire history and is thus PIS.

Ugh. Baseless opinion, clearly contradicted by the scans I've provided and the history of fights between Thor and Silver Surfer.

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Originally posted by h1a8
You are so true. But I don't think Spiderman vs. Firelord is PIS (actually it is SvFL and not PIS). But SvFL isn't a rule anymore (look it up). I think of some of the beings that Spiderman was capable of hurting when he's mad proves that it is exceptible that Spiderman is able to hurt and ko Firelord with a long series of strikes.
I have no good reason to believe that any herald is faster than Spiderman in close combat. There status as "herald" proves nothing.

If you don't think SPvFL is PIS, then you fail. This post is characteristic of the entirety of your posts. Please stop. And whether your opinion of a rule is anymore legitimate then another's doesn't matter in this forum. PIS is out in VS debates. You don't like it, make a PIS thread or go to another forum instead of twisting the very lynchpins that support VS thread debating.

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Originally posted by h1a8
Plus have you ever heard of a combo? Did you ever play Street Fighter II or Mortal Kombat? If one can continously land another hit after the previous hit before the victim can recover then the hitter can continue in this fashion until the victim is koed. The victim would be forever helpless against this because he could never recover in time from each hit. Otherwise, it isn't a combo at all. Spidey comboed his butt until ko with the "Maximum Spider". Spidey is so cool!

I've played against the world's best players in Street Fighter. I know what a "combo" is. I also know that this has absolutely nothing to do witht he topic at hand.

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Originally posted by h1a8
You just proven that you are either lazy (not reading all my posts thoroughly) or not very smart (I believe it's the former though). For I have said several times before that I didn't mean "nanosecond" literally. So what do I have to prove? I know Supeman can instantly accelerate very quickly (close to the level of flash himself). And I know (from history) that Firelord can't respond to very fast speeds. Thus putting two and two together I get that Firelord can't respond to Superman's speed.

I show multiple scans and I'm lazy? You rely on SPvFL as the entire lynchpin of your debate and I'm not very smart? Yeah... ok there buddy.

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Originally posted by h1a8
You were equivocating "Herald lvl being" with " a Herald" as they are the same thing. Classic Juggernaut is a herald level being (by popular opinion) but he is slow as sh*t. So herald level doesn't automatically come with uber reflexes and battle speed (neither does being a herald as well). Lastly, putting SvFL aside, Firelord hasn't shown he is capable of dodging very fast attacks. Thus one can not say that he can. And since they can't say that he can then they can't say that he and Terrax can beat Superman.

Here are your options:

1) Show me a scan of Superman instantly defeating an opponent who is superstrong before the opponent can react.
2) Show me a scan of Superman instantly defeating an opponent who is superstrong and durable before the opponent can react.
3) Show me a scan of Superman instantly defeating an opponent who is superstrong, durable and capable of flight before the opponent can react.
4) Show me a scan of Superman instantly defeating an opponent who is superstrong, durable, flight-capable and possesses any form of heightened senses before the opponent can react.
5) Show me a scan of Superman instantly defeating an opponent who is superstrong, durable, flight-capable, has heightened senses, and is capable of ftl travel before the opponent can react.
6) Show me a scan of Superman instantly defeating an opponent who is all of those things and has at least one single feat of ftl speed reflexes before the opponent can react.

Anybody else wants to jump in, by all means. I stepped it up, tier-by-tier so you could gradually work your way up. And if any of you numbskulls start equivocating about what does superstrong or durable mean, I leave it to you to decide what that is. So no more excuses. Start debating with proof, h1a8, because your opinions and assumptions are utterly laughable without it

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Originally posted by h1a8
First of all how can Firelord beat Superman if Superman can blitz Firelord before he can respond? Superman wins over him all day. Now if Superman just sat there with his thumb up his butt then I guess Firelord could help rape him (Superman is already raping himself with his thumb. )
Power means nothing in comparison to speed. I can have the power of TOAA (except reflexes), but Superman would kill me everytime if I couldn't respond in time.

All Heralds are sloweys in comparison to Superman (except in space travel). Thus their power being greater than Superman's means absolutely nothing. This is spite in favor of Superman.

Only in your own dreams where Superman is god, SPvFL is acceptable in KMC debates and victories are determined only by your inane predeliction for speed and ignoring powers, odds and... oh yes... comic book feats...

Split 5/10. Nuff said.

EDIT: Took out some of the nastier parts of my post for mere civility purposes.