Not at all. His abilities have been displayed despite you claiming you played the games yet you cannot recall anything that Kain was capable of. Kain can go into mist form and create distance with Spiderman anytime he wants or tk blast him away. He can also forceblock him or kill him with his sword.
Spiderman also will be attempting to win not kill unlike Kain.
Um, what? Of course Spiderman is portrayed as fast, there are multiple scans showing that he is. However, you still have not proven that Kain is fast enough to hit him, despite my asking you to. Instead of trying to bash Spiderman, how about you support Kain?
That is, in fact, how we debate.
Because Kain ripped through some primitive armor you think he can suddenly rip through all armor? Sarafan armor =/= Iron Spider armor. In order to claim that, you have to prove that Sarafan armor is strong. What has it resisted? What has Kain cut through with the Reaver?
Kain can survive without a heart either because he was sent to the Demon Realm or because the Spirit forge was calling all the Guardians to itself and Kain is a Guardian. Besides, Kain's durability isn't really that great. Spiderman has lifted far more than Raziel has, and Raziel can severely injure Kain while weakened.
Yes, he can get through primitive medieval armor. Has he shown the ability to get through anything better or stronger than that? If he has, I haven't seen it while perusing youtube walkthroughs of the games. Can you please show it to me, or at least name a scene? I'm willing to work with you here if you'll just name a feat; I'll try to find it.
Stop claiming this, please. I've watched walkthroughs on the games and Kain hasn't shown the ability necessary to get through the Iron Spider suit, or Spiderman's natural durability. If you think I missed something, please just name the part of the game that Kain displays higher strength than ripping primitive armor. Can you please try to help me be less ignorant?
Look again. Raziel is literally on his knees, and can clearly be seen fading into the Reaver. Do you think getting drawn into the sword is a pleasant experience? Raziel could barely even stand up.
In a debate, it is your job to give me the knowledge I request, preferably in the form of some video evidence displaying Kain's feats. Do you really expect me to go out and buy the entire series, plus the various game consoles to play them on, and then spend a few months playing them just so I can debate you?
Sorry, I'm kinda poor right now. Youtube is the best I've got. Now if you would please direct me to some feat of Kain's that will prove him superior to Spiderman? You still haven't backed up anything you've said.
Don't break rules and you won't be reported. There's no reason for you to be so hostile about this.
No one said he wasn't fast but there are more examples of him getting tagged left and right by slower characters than Kain than him being this mini speedster some have misrepresented him to be.
You don't know enough about either character and just argue based on what someone else shows you making you ignorant.
You don't know how to debate characters you have no real conception of based on your complete ignorance of the subject matter imo.
So because a far weaker Kain ripped through some heavy armor with his bare hands the soulreaver cannot rip through spiderman's armor now? The hylden aren't primitive for one and possess technology and a weapon that can kill entire races with a thought so please don't speak as if Kain is fighting caveman here. Kain plunged the soulreaver through the Hylden Lord with ease.
No, he survived because he is the scion of balance. Amy Hennig confirmed this and there was no mention of the demon realm which makes no sense because he killed demons there and survived right after he left there. You don't make any sense.
Raziel wasn't weakened so please quit with the conjecture.
If you played through the games you'd realize it's the end where he easily kills the Hylden Lord with the soulreaver.
Raziel was being held in check by Kain and Kain let off leaving his guard down and was then attacked. Raziel has the strength to do so but if Kain is actively fighting at his best he won't ever pull it off.
No, it isn't you need to have a little knowledge yourself about the topics you debate. The onus isn't on me to educate you on the subject matter.
To announce reporting someone is childish.
He can use it to create distance between them every time Spiderman gets up close and personal.
I don't even think he needs to do so as I feel he is more than fast enough to just kill Spiderman with his sword but if they want to discuss cbr debating based on feats alone and abilities I am more than game.
Not just feats alone, sport. They are about what's in character, feats, and abilities. You cannot just argue based off a few feats while dismissing the majority of the character himself. Duh.
See, you're saying that Spiderman has been tagged by characters slower than Kain, but you haven't presented evidence that says that Kain is faster than them. That's an unbacked claim. Kain hasn't tagged any faster characters, has he?
I argue based on feats. Spiderman's feats are consistently better than Kain's feats. Therefore I conclude that Spiderman is consistently better than Kain. You have not given any feats for Kain, either, so you're only hurting your case.
That is, of course, just your opinion. You have repeatedly neglected to present any evidence for your claims, nor have you answered any of my questions.
Okay, now we're getting somewhere. What has the armor taken that proves it's as strong as Spiderman's armor? Their armor has not shown any real durability, despite other technology. It's just a few thin sheets of metal. Has the Hylden Lord shown any durability feats that put him on par with Spiderman?
Do you have a link to where she said this? Did she say it directly prevented him from dying or save him from death? Can you prove the demons were killed? What about the fact that the Spirit Forge was calling all the Gaurdians back to itself?
Why couldn't Raziel stand up straight?
I've watched that scene ands it's not very impressive. The Hylden Lord doesn't have any durability feats.
Raziel hit Kain with the Wraith Blade before grabbing him, and Kain was fighting back.
See 8:11, Raziel won in the end.
In a debate, you are supposed to back up your claims with evidence. Why do you refuse to do this?
To call someone a nerd is childish.
@Omega Vision, is this bloodlusted, and is CIS on or off?
Raziel is fast as astner has backed up based on soulreaver games. My point is you cannot base this off a few feats anyways and ignore their entire history just because you like a character more.
Yes, arguing based off of feats and not knowing how the character is actually portrayed describes you in a nutshell. That's why I don't take anything you ever say seriously because you don't know enough and argue based on what others show you making you ignorant.
Kain's abilities and his history support my case while only looking at a handful of Spiderman feats isn't enough to have a real knowledge about the character.
I have and then some. You just refuse to accept it because you haven't played the games nor read the comics.
For the most part this is all speculation either way no matter what happens because comics are inconsistent as are video games they all don't line up for us to debate on. The Hylden Lord was very durable based on the damage it took for Kain to beat just various sarafan throughout the game with their armor and what it took Kain to actually beat him.
Yes, but I already posted the interview many times not again. Kain killed the Hylden Lord and yes he killed the demons unless you feel the Hylden Lord didn't die, the Hylden didn't die, and the demons throughout defiance weren't killed despite you not having played the game yourself.
Because he was fighting against kain and when Kain let his guard down he struck.
Most characters don't but throughout the game you realize how powerful he is based off of all the enemies you wade through prior to this.
Kain was talking to him and saying he didn't leaving his guard down. If he was actively trying he'd let the sword absorb him.
Raziel won because Kain wasn't trying to kill him just teach him a lesson. Context, sport.
I have done so but you aren't knowledgeable to know the difference since you haven't played the games.
I'm not. Kain just doesn't have any feats. The Raziel thing is gameplay anyway.
You're not very nice. At least I try to take you seriously, why else would I continue to argue with you? Feats are how a character is portrayed in battle, and Spiderman's feats are better than Kain's.
What case? You never made a case. You haven't posted a single feat or shred of evidence to back up anything you've ever said. Spiderman has a case, Kain currently does not.
Where? Can you quote it for me? Where is this miraculous evidence you claim to have posted when I have not seen any of it? I have said before, unbacked claims are worthless.
In gameplay? That stuff doesn't fly. In the cutscene, Kain stabbed him once. The Hylden Lord has nothing to say he is durable. If you could post actual evidence, it would reduce the speculation immensely.
You're still refusing to post evidence? That's not how you debate. I need a link to that interview so that I know you're not making stuff up. I would also say the demons returned to their realm upon death to reform later. Just like Kain was allowed to survive, and the Hylden Lord's claim that the demon realm ensures immortality.
Raziel hit him while he was fighting. Spiderman can do the same, especially with his speed.
Still gameplay, still not canon, still not measurable either way.
But Raziel was still unable to stand up, and was still being absorbed.
In the first part, maybe, when he won. But then Raziel started fighting again and Kain lost. Raziel still won.
You still haven't posted any evidence. No videos, no links, just your unbacked claims. That still doesn't fly.
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