KMC Forums - Nova vs Wonder Woman

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Originally posted by Psychopath001
All things go down with time, and I know that given enough time, anyone, no matter how tough they are, can be taken down by Melee. My point of it is though: The length of time it would take for WW to actually defeat Nova through the use of Melee would have been a situation where Nova would have found a way to beat her.

Keep in mind the 'length of time' here is not... very long. I think you must be underestimating her strength, we aren't talking 'beats herald levelers by slowly wearing them down over the course of several minutes.'

Even fights with people who can seriously threaten her in HtH in return simply don't last all that long unless there's holding back involved.

To go to one of your previous posts,

"How would WW act if she is facing someone with equal strength and speed, and though he may have less melee experience than she does, mixes his blows with powerful bursts of the Nova Force (Keep in mind that Nova reduced one of the Luminals to nothing but skeletal structure with one accidental blast). How is she going to overcome a fighting style like that? Especially since it's upclose, cancelling out the possibility of her crossing her bracers, but also being much wider than an individual bracer can handle?"

She's inflicted major damage on Superman who has greater strength and toughness and mixes up his blows with heat vision and frost blast, in the actual HtH portions of their combats she often holds the edge, and the entirety of the Sacrifice WWvsSM fight was not a long time, if she can inflict significant damage to Superman in just a minute or two, she can do the same to Nova. WW's also fought GLs and other ring slingers who use both blasts and melee as well. So how is she going to withstand Nova's style? Probably her great experienced with similar styles in the past, it's very much something she's used to.

Keep in mind at the same time, he will not be familiar with her style or the variety of threats she has, like the tiara that can slice through his suit and flesh as easily as it can butter, not the most intuitive thing to be worried about. Or how hard it is to escape from the lasso.

Again on the Nova-centric ness in your approach, you've been thinking about how he can plan to escape what she does, but have not been thinking about what she can plan to escape what he does, Wonder Woman is an extremely accomplished tactician and natural warrior.

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You say gravity, stargates and blasting won't do it, but what makes you think that they can't?

I said they aren't foolproof. That is, there's no course of attack I know of his that will definitely win. Might win, perhaps, but no thing that'll grant an unbeatable edge.

Oh, one I forgot to address that's pretty important to cover specifically: Wonder Woman does have several courses of action if she's in space, in addition to just speeding out of the way before she's sucked in. Aside for trying to take him down first before air runs out (which sounds odd, but depending on his shape when he opens the stargate, possibly quite reasonable, she can hold her breath a very long time even when fighting powerful foes in space, having defeated Martians this way, and if they're both coming through a stargate that means they're right next to each other, within range of all of her attacks without exception), she recently gained a magic sea-shell she can summon from anywhere that'll take her to anywhere. And she can planeshift on her own with more effort.

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Fact of the matter is that as long as Richard has the Worldmind I can't ever really picture myself saying that he is going to get defeated by WW melee. The Worldmind could observe WW's fighting style, and upload into Rich's brain fighting techniques that would help to give him the upper hand.

While the Worldmind has done a lot of calculations, I don't think it's ever done that. It gives individual pieces of advice using it's predictive capability, not full fighting styles that are better than Nova's own. He's already a master of the Nova Corps' styles and has training from Drax, after all. WW on the other hand, is at least as good as his trainer there if not better.

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And the thing about those four that you gave for knocking Nova out? We went through that before, and I gave the most sensible reasons I could come up with with why they wouldn't be as effective as they might sound.

And quite frankly, those arguments sound to me more like you're underestimating WW's level of attack or overrating Nova's toughness. The damage level of fights of people with this kind of power do not generally drag out that long, serious injury can be inflicted in a short time.

Nova's tough but herald level attacks are a major threat to him and done repeatedly would severely affect his fighting ability and/or simply render him unconscious. Also a lasso around him would eliminate his speed and impair his ability to use his offense fully, so that'd generally spell the end even if he was still in relatively good physical shape when it happened.

I'm a fan of both characters, and from my knowledge I can say I don't see any big stylistic edge, and both dish out a level of damage that has taken out the other or at least done major harm before. Nova is definitely not too tough for her, and what wins he takes will involve pulling out all the stop, mixing it up, and being unpredictable. Even still, the winner should take a fair amount of damage whoever it is.