No TP defintely isn't working on WBH. If Prof X couldn't beat WWH MM and Aquaman aren't beating a 1000s of times more poweful WBH. Intangibility most likely won't work either. The Vision tried that on a weaker hulk.
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Really, the only replies or retorts people have for me are smiles and "lol". While I may seem angry, I'm not angry at all, I'm just waiting for a reply that makes any sense whatsoever. But whether I'm angry or not, what does it matter? Attack my arguments, that's fine with me...that's why I'm here. Tell me I'm angry...well...I guess that's fine with me too, but who cares?
This is a site intended for debate, so that's what I'm trying to do. I also stated earlier in this thread (or maybe the WBH w/ PG vs Avengers/Annihilators thread...I don't remember) that I think that it's ridiculous to think that any one character of ROUGHLY herald level could beat this team or the team that was mentioned in that thread....even with the massively overrated power gem. People here can cry about speed all they want, but that's a big factor here.
Personally, my favorite character is Thor. If you gave thor Warrior's madness, and the power gem, I still don't think he would win against this team. The JLA is being massively underrated here. And the arguments for why Hulk would win basically boil down to:
"he would instantly thunderclap and everyone on the JLA instantly dies."
Personally I think the power gem is overrated on vs forums, and there is a big difference between how much people THINK it amps characters, vs how much it ACTUALLY DOES amp characters in comics is pretty vast.
And come on, don't tell me WBH isn't overrated on this board. People are calling him a skyfather on another thread.
It's UNDENIABLE that he's been KO'ed by a planet-busting force. NORMAL Superman, while weakened, survived an explosion equivalent to 50 supernovas. The difference there is pretty big. Combine that with the speed of the team, and I don't think there's much of an argument for the Hulk here.
I think WBH is overrated myself. I also think the idea of the JLA becoming the forum speed gods that are somehow untouchable and every instance of them not being untouchable doesn't count or is PIS in comics is overrated, too. *shrug*
But, still, I give him enough credit to know that he's operating on a level of sheer physical power that the JLA will be hard to defend against initially. With the Power Gem, and in an enclosed area, Hulk doesn't really need to have to directly hit someone here to kick their ass.
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Did Prof X try attacking WWH? I thought he scanned his mind, saw the destruction he had caused, and surrendered to Hulk - then Cyclops stepped in and they fought.
Also, Vision's phasing is different to MM's, so....apples and oranges, really.
Hulk resisting a prepped Strange mind attack. Strange even admits Hulk has a door closed that doesn't allow mind attacks to work and when attacked mentally, it makes him more powerful.
Telepathic attacks just doesn't work on him due to his rage and in this thread, we are using WBH, who is much more resistant than WWH...Martian Manhunter ain't doing crap to Hulks brain.
Well done Carv. this Hulk is officially mind control free.
That means whilst he obliterates half the team. None will know of the gems power.
In the end it's all about the survivors. Superman, MM, PlasticMan and a rendered air elemental Red Tornado stopping the constant blast emanating from WBH's constant burst attacks. PlasticMan should go down though.
I forgot to mention. The only reason Strange was even capable of getting into Hulks mind during those scans was due to Hulk feeling sympathy over the words that was being said to him which left a small opening. To bad that didnt work because he resisted a prepped Strange still. That won't be the case in this fight because there isn't a soul here that could sympathise with a pissed Hulk.
First of all, none of our scenarios were talking about MM 'attacking' the Hulk. You have to be more creative than that, especially when you have Batman on your team strategising.
We (well, I) said that MM would create a fantasy world for the Hulk. Your scans showed that Hulk is resistant, yet no name telepaths were able to read WWH. MM, one of the most powerful telepaths, would be able to read WBH. None of your scans show anything to me execpt that mental bolts (as used by Aquaman) would have no effect - and I fully agree with you. Hence, nobody here has even suggested that mental bolts as used by Strange would work.
It would simply be using MM (perhaps bolstered by Aquaman) to create a wish-fulfilment scenario for the Hulk, so that he BFRs himself. Read my post again, I posted it up a few pages back.
Also forgot to mention Prof X was holding back.....which is the same reasoning I've seen people use when referencing the Hulk/Zeus fight, that Hulk was 'holding back'.
Hulk is completely resistant to mind attacks...none of that is working. You'll have to show something like this working in order for it to hold weight because I showed you Hulk being completely immune to any type of mind.soothing or attacks.
Lol...so MM is a more powerful telepath than both Xavier and Emma combined? Yeah right.
Sentry has the ability to mentally cool the Hulk down to the point that he reverts back to Banner (used this against Savage Hulk). Reed created a mimic of a device similar to Sentry powers...Hulk resists it.
Hulks mind was attacked the entire issue...nothing worked. Now show me that proof that it will work because I can post more mind attack scans if you want.
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