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Vader got lucky with maul in a saber duel, Vader evenly matched maul when he used the DBL but if maul switches to jar kai, vader loses if not it could go either way.
As for a force fight or all out, i'm sure vader would be smart enough to use the force which he beats maul in that category.
I'd say its much more dependent upon what Vader does with the Force, because engaging him in a lightsaber duel would be stupid on his part. He'd lose.
Granted. However, given the ROTJ novelisation states that in the duel aboard the Death Star, he physically could not withstand Luke's assault, I fail to see how his strength alone would be a determining factor in a duel. Especially considering Maul's own brute strength is already at a beastly fucking level given his training regime and as confirmed in canon.
Moreover Maul has the advantages of speed and dexterity. Two things that are extremely beneficial to possess against Vader, as these are his main weaknesses. Overall he has a leverage over Vader in terms of physical attributes (which is a determining factor in a duel).
And while Vader is superior in the Force, his technical prowess with a lightsaber is significantly lower than that of Maul's. Maul has been forged into a virtual weapon when it comes to dueling by Darth Sidious' training, and all of his showings prove such. His defeat of Anoon Bondara, who's skill with a blade was even greater than that of TPM Yoda's (not to mention, his connection to the Force was stated to be good enough that it made him "one of the best fighters in the Order"), his ability to simultaneously defend and maintain the upper hand against Qui-Gon Jinn and Obi-Wan, and Maul mopping the floor with Qui-Gon Jinn in thirty seconds flat provide testament to such. The latter two displays were done when Maul was also injured and not at full-strength, which the New Essential Guide to Characters states.
Plus, I'd submit Vader's Dun Möch techniques will be of no use against him, as Maul's mindset is stable enough to withstand meaningless taunts (similar to what we witness in Resurrection). And we do know that Vader often tries to shake his opponents, he'll have no such luck here, but rather a precisely placed red lightsaber blade through his chest in direct lightsaber confrontation.
To quote myself,
Unless, of course, you actually read the source material?
Maul displays clear signs of superiority throughout the entire duel sans two points (lightsaber cut in half, death [which can be attributed more to chance and desperation on Vader's behalf than actual skill]). Whether he had his lightsabers combined or not didn't change shit. On-panel evidence trumps your personal opinion.
One would first have to establish that Maul switching (something he can't do without having his lightsaber severed anyways) to the use of two lightsabers would lead to a positive outcome. Something which you've failed to do yet. The opposite seems more likely considering its his weapon of choice.
And what leads you to believe "it could go either way" otherwise? Support your claim.
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Last edited by Advent on Jan 15th, 2008 at 11:39 PM
"The Twi'lek Jedi Master lived in the Force. Always still and complacent as a pool of unknown depth, he was nevertheless one of the best fighters in the order. His skill with a lightsaber was second to none." (Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter)
Uh, how doesn't it make sense? Mace Windu had progressed by a large margin during the period in between TPM and ROTS. Logically since Yoda has ALWAYS been regarded as his superior, Yoda must have improved greatly as well. Which means that Anoon Bondara doesn't necessarily have to be on par with ROTS Yoda.
You may expect Yoda to be the end-all, be-all of PT Jedi duelists, but canon says otherwise. And absolutely nothing I've seen contradicts such.
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Last edited by Advent on Jan 16th, 2008 at 12:02 AM
Wow, I actually had no idea Advent had been posting here recently. It felt weird no longer having any superiors. Anyways, long time no see Mokot- I mean, nice to meet you... for the very first time in my life, ever, on this forum, in my life, Advent was it?
Whatever you undermining jackass. Instead of these types of "LOL MAUL IS BEST! ADVENT TOLD ME!" posts when discussing anything about Maul, why don't you add something useful to the discussion?
In what way exactly? Although, I do agree, elaborate on what you mean in reference to this thread.
Classical. I really do get an enjoyment out of your presence.
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Last edited by Advent on Jan 16th, 2008 at 12:33 AM
I wasn't disagreeing with you but Yoda's skill was unparalleled. In this case, if Bondara was no match for Maul and Bondara was somehow better than Yoda, well you get the point. Yes, I thought Yoda was the end all be all of PT duelists. Maybe I'm wrong but that's the picture I got from all of the movies, comics, books, etc..
Jan 14th, 2008 11:01 PM
