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So by refusing to take the word of people who are clearly showing bias, I am somehow "egocentric"?
That's just plain stupid. If the sources were satisfactory and complete, and I could review them, I'd comply. No direct sources have been forthcoming. I asked for specific wording and page numbers and everything. I've provided as much in previous arguments. No one has been able to offer them. I didn't make the claim, therefore the onus is not on me to prove up. If you're making the claim, DS, prove up. Or you can ask Escape or LS to provide the specifics. I'm not unreasonable. I simply don't see any proof other then "NEC says he's the best!". That doesn't compel me. I want more than that. The unexamined life is not worth living. I don't take all sentences literally and unexamined; neither should you.
No, by refusing to look at sources, by using personal attacks in the form of banners, and by attacking anyone that doesn't see your point of view, you are being egocentric. I could take it a step further and say this is exactly how EOD operates. The majority has a set opinion on something and flames the minority. Actually I take that back, because Escape and LS have been kind of enough not to insult you in any way, shape, or form, instead proving their case with a well thought out argument supported by FACTS...
You are sitting an nitpicking about how character X would be able to do this and that to Sidious, when Escape offers a counterargument, you berate him and tell him he hasn't proven anything. I've found that you are a superb debater on a subject you have no real care about...
Furthermore, you think the NEC is the only one that states Sidious is the best? Let me get you a link to all of Escape's quotes. And you have ALWAYS dodged the Sidious debate when we provide you the quote of the Ancient Sith declaring that Sidious is the greatest and most powerful of them all.
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By refusing to look at the sources? Have I not already made it clear that I am not the one making the claims, therefore I do not have to run off and search high and low among SW EU for the quote to analyze it. Those making the claim should provide it, or at least the specifics of finding it so I can evaluate it and put it into context. I am not moved by the version of context applied by members here (IMO type sentences). There's something disturbing about how much leeway Sidious is given simply because of these lines from reference materials.
Secondly, most people with a sense of humor might find my signature to be funny and witty, not a blatant attempt to flame or bash people. It coincides with my own views that this subforum is way, way too Sidious-happy, but I didn't list any names. If you take it as personal bashing, that's your issue.
Thirdly, I'd appreciate it if you didn't bash the entirety of EoD simply because some of the members have disagreed with you and you've been warned and banned previously for trolling and bashing yourself, along with making obtuse observations and refusing to back them up. So yeah, have some respect for the people on the forum who are not an extension of the debating here. If that's all you see than you are blind.
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It also coincides with your disdain for Sidious, Sidious supporters, or arguments involving Sidious in them because, as you claim, there's a lot of "leeway" involved, so whatever the purpose of the banner was, I find it most "convenient"..
What I just did is exactly what YOU have been doing all along Janus, so you proved my point. The members at EOD seem more like a clique at times (although not so much anymore), and would bash ANYBODY who disagreed with them. On here, the premier debaters such as LS and Escape go out of their way to be polite to people, no matter what. You and some of the guys at EOD are very smart but you often let subjectivity get in the way. At the end of the day who really gives a shit Janus? It's just Star Wars.
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This is inaccurate.
Actually, I have nothing personally against people who support Sidious. LS in particular is very cool to talk to outside of debate.
If I went into a thread and said "Darth Revan will beat Dooku without breaking a sweat" and then proceeded to boost his greatness using vague quotes, would you be swayed? Or would you be less than convinced?
You sound awfully bitter at EoD. Are you sure it's the forum's purpose and set up you're unhappy with, or is it that certain people have disagreed with you and corrected you in the past, or that you've been checked for being a blatant troll? If you hate the place so much and it's a "clique" why do you still keep posting there? Why'd you sock there? If it was just some shithole clique hang out forum, I'd think you would leave and not talk about it anything more than passing.
As far as politeness here, the current elite aren't very different from previous regulars. All regulars indulge in bashing, sharp remarks, or worse. There's no real civility here except when people choose to check themselves or are general nice guys (Like Darth Dipsit, wherever he went...). If politeness indeed ruled the day, and it was something you greatly admired and aspired to, you wouldn't be sitting around ripping on me with Escape in every thread you can get your hands on.
So really, you're just a "Me too" type troll who's unhappy with whatever my friends and I have done to you.
Funny how everything is Vague and ambiguous when you don't agree.
Disgraced me and corrected me in the past? You mean with flawed arguments that currently hold no water? I'm not bitter towards EOD at all, I'm just reacting to EOD the way you react to KMC when somebody doesn't agree with you, yet your egocentrism allows you to believe that you are "justified" in your displeasure while I am just angry at people. Furthermore, I said it USED to be a clique up there. Now I post because people have lightened up again. At the very end of the day, it's just a forum, nothing more.
Again with the defensive attitude? Where am I ripping on you? Notice how in most of my judgement I have said that you are very intelligent, a good debater, with all do respect, etc. Where is this "ripping" you speak of?
This assertion warrants proof, and seeing as how you're too thick headed to look at reality, I'm going to assume that you're just a bitter man looking to talk shit. Call me a troll or whatever, but I have been more than civil with you and your less than acceptable debates.. Nor do I care about what you and your internet friends/pseudointellectuals do or say because it's the internet. Apparently you care though.
Btw I have never called myself a debater seeing as how I've never done it, nor taken a class for it. This is all a learning experience and you have really taught me (as Escape has said), that being an intelligent person doesn't equate to being a skilled debater..
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Funny how I only don't agree with things that are vague and ambiguous, even if they favor characters I like. I don't run around saying Darth Revan has battle precog so amazing he can predict wars, do I? Obviously, if I don't accept it, there's a pretty good reason.
Yes, disgraced and corrected. You're the only person on the forum in its three year history who's earned more than one warning. You can piss and moan about that (You know, months and months ago) all you'd like same as I am. My chief complaint is with your idea that "EoD is all like that- clique like" etc etc. It's not. There's still diversity in opinions and ideas. You should know that very well, seeing as you and I were in the same opinion on a thread against Illustrious, IKC and Nai. It doesn't get any more brother-in-a-foxhole than that.
Right.
No, you've been contrary to me in every thread these past few weeks and quick to bash or get a jab in when it suits you. When you debate, it's all "IMO" type shit, and everyone else around you has to pony up and offer real reason and resources. I may not agree with Escape or LS on a great many things, but I recognize that they are capable of logical arguments and they know the source material quite well. Both of them make up their own minds on source material.
You don't do any of that. You ride on other people's coattails when it comes to "sides", you can't structure or defend an argument to save your soul, and then you resort to this kind of crap when people finally call you out.
In short, you're a troll.
Not many people have. It doesn't take serious classical Logic and Reasoning classes back to back to make sense of some things. I doubt very much that most of the high-end debaters on KMC or elsewhere have had such classes. They simply use their brains and don't just accept what's handed to them or told to them wholesale. I'm glad you like to play "I'm just learning all this" Amateur when you're backed into a corner for lacking in substance, though you'll play cowboy in any thread when someone clearly less aggressive or inferior gets in your way.
And I'm glad you take Escape's words for gospel, seeing as you're riding off of his arguments left and right. I hope he keeps you afloat seeing as you can't fend for yourself.
Funny how out of all the quotes you are still not convinced that Sidious is #1, yet you are convinced Ragnos and Nadd pwned? Interesting..
Disgraced by whom? You call it disgraced, I call it a learning experience. I know the internet and these forums is your life Janus but it's not mine so if I lose, I learn and move on. You apparently have no concept of doing that seeing as how you're set in your own ways.. I'm not pissing and moaning actually, I'm letting you do all of that. I never said I hated EOD but I regarded EOD in the same manner that you regard KMC. In fact, EOD is a much better forum because the Star Wars vs. debates are kept to a minimum, and there is a large assortment of ideas and debates going on there.
Show me a "bash" or a "jab". If anything I've been respectful to you while you've been bitching. It's never "IMO" type in my debates. Funny how when I give you a source or disagree with you, your only defense is "well um You didnt come up with that argument you copied someone so you suck!!" or something to that extent. You have yet to provide ANY real proof for your current arguments so if what you say about me is true, then we are in the same boat.
Translation: I don't agree with you and I'm heated over irrelevant text to the point where I'm going to talk shit and make a fool out of myself. Great going Janus. You're giving a great name for pseudointellectuals everywhere.
You hardly use your brain in regards to the SW universe Janus. You just ignore facts when you don't agree with them, and accept facts when it's convenient for you (ancient sith). I don't think you even begin to understand the term "playing cowboy", and how it involves me in these threads, but it's scary for someone as intelligent as you to have such shitty self awareness.
I rest my case. When in a losing situation, *****. Nobody claimed I created these arguments seeing as I have less sources and patience than escape, but I've debated you on many occasions, including this one, only to see you ***** and moan like a little girl, before letting you take it easy for a few months.
Thanks Janus. It's comforting to know that my tax dollars go to brilliant men such as yourself. I would give you the typical "boohoo" statelement, but it would be all too predictable.. Quit crying..
David, you say you're an Ancient Sith fanboy, yet the fact that your first instinct in the "Is Palpatine the most powerful Sith Lord in Galactic history" thread was to immediately undermine a showing of power done by one of them after it had been pointed out to the forum, would suggest otherwise. You're clearly lying out of your ass to make it seem like you actually do debate objectively.
Its not an instinct Noobaris. It's fact because I finally obtained all of the sources necessary. BEFORE I had any sources and was ignorant, I was an ancient sith fanboy. Hell, I still am, but it shows that I am objective if I accept facts. Thanks for your input though, enjoy the 37th ban.
For someone who claims that the forums aren't his life, you sure are conveniently at the computer, ready to hammer away at the keyboard, every time you get addressed on here. Interesting.
I enjoy these forums sure, not to mention it's only 8:30 AM and I sleep very little. I would only claim these forums are my life when I've been banned 36 times and I still keep coming back.. Oh wait..
Well, if it makes you feel any better, I laughed. And I agree with the Sidious-happy point. This forum does seem to worship him.
When I first got here you and Ivalice posted continously about how I 'gang-rape' my own 'mutilated' mother and about how 'deformed' my penis is. The only reason that I didn't report you was that it made me laugh so damn much.
How about the fact that as long as I've been here, you've never set up your own thread and that you always wait for the others to post opinions before you post your 'own'.
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