ah, my bad. Hard to believe they would put him ahead of Yoda though... Sometimes authors seem to want THEIR character to be the most uber ever, so they put in phrases like that that don't seem to fit with the rest of the Star Wars universe at all.
Than with that petty logic Grieviosu should be better than Dooku at Makashi,better than Mace at Vapaad and better than Yoda at ataro but do you think Grievous can be any of them in saber combat? No this logic has no merit to it. Hence one of the reasons that XYZ arguments usually are flawed.
In is career he made two mistake of being over confident (vs obiwan and vader) however if your read any other material about Maul you would know that he is normally the silent assassin type who doesn't toy around. And you are the one who needs to get over the fact that TPM Maul>TMP Obiwan among others.
Much like is happening with other characters like Jacen and Boba fett. But like I said in another thread I seriously have doubts if Anoon could be ROTS Yoda in a strict saber duel.
1) i also spoke of the computer chip which you didnt respond to. it gives grevous accuracy thats better than, sentient life and he has two additional arms which enhance his juyo abilities beyond Mauls but not beyond those jedi masters you mentions ALL OF WHOM ARE BETTER THAN MAUL AND ALL OF WHOM GREVOUS WAS WARNED TO AVOID.
I know you spoke of a computer chip and my point is that a computer chip doesn't automatically mean Grievous is better a juyo than Maul which is why I mentioned other names.
No shit sherlock, I debating that he doesn't go down without giving Kenobi difficulty.
i think maul could threaten grievous. Simple reasoning: Maul has the force, Grievous doesn't. The ROTS novel makes clear that Grievous was only beaten by Obi-Wan because Obi-Wan was completely in tune with the force. it also makes it sound like Grievous never had a chance. (Obi-Wan bending Grievous's duranium arm is what i offer as proof here)
Maul would have a chance against Obi-Wan, but i pick Kenobi, BECAUSE he purposely switched to soresu after fighting maul the first time. He realized that ataru had weaknesses that soresu doesn't have, so it must mean he had improved his chances of defeated maul.
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Kenobi takes this. Easily.
Maul fights similarly to Anakin; he's an idiot when it comes to tctics, but he has immensely good dueling skills; it's like comparing Anakin to Bane and Maul to Sidious, as they use the same style (if you believe Sidious uses Juyo, which seems to be the most likely), but do it much more skillfully and with more intelligence. As such, Maul is the ideal opponent for Kenobi, who can probably deflect the number of blows Maul can deal upon him by giving ground, using Ataru acrobatics and almost impenetrable Soresu defense.
Simple speed isn't enough to penetrate Soresu; we all saw how Grevious, who was probably among Anakin, Sidious, and Yoda as the fastest attackers, not be able to penetrate Obi-Wan's defense, who simply took an advantage in his openings, slicing off his hands. Maul, I believe, is ROTS Grevious' equal with a lightsaber, and is stronger in the force- but less intelligent. Thus, I'd say Obi-Wan takes this hands down by handling a few blows, slicing his saberstaff in half and subsequently relieving Maul of his head.
Maul is good, but if we're going to use NG's lightsaber-ranking skills, I'd give him probably a 7... roughly equal to AOTC Obi-Wan...
See truejedi's post and it seems everyone Obiwan wins(which I already said he would be it will not be easy) just because he beat GG in somewhat easy fashion in a lightsaber duel doesn' mean Maul lose a saber duel as fast the GG did before he retreated. I already gave my reasons that Obiwan the best choice to face Grievous and I have stated why Maul is a good enough fighter to give Obiwan difficulty.
obi wan punished grevous easily,
grevous>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait im not done>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.a turkey sandwich>>maul.
so obi wan wont have any trouble with maul. after all, he studied qui gon's mistakes and already dueled maul so he knows what to do.
maul is a match for padawan kenobi
maul would give knight kenobi some trouble
maul gives master kenobi no trouble
XZY argument much? Anakin beat Dooku who is more powerful than Obiwan yet lost to him. Grievous and Maul have different styles and as I already said and others would acknowledge that Obiwan;s form was the best to face GG. Maul made a the top duelist who's skills were described as A Twi'lek, with slender head-tails and a heavily muscled upper body, his name was Anoon Bondara, a duelist of unparalleled skill. Qui-Gon engaged him in matches at every opportunity. For a match with Bondara, no matter how brief, was more instructive than twenty contests against lesser opponents. and as The Twi'lek Jedi Master lived in the Force. Always still and complacent as a pool of unknown depth, he was nevertheless one of the best fighters in the order. His skill with a lightsaber was second to none.
And to quote Borbarad:
On the other Handside we have Darth Maul. A "perfect Sith weapon" (DSSB), who's overall combat skills (force mastery and lightsaber skills) were not only enough to deal with two rather talented Jedi at once. No. He was also skilled enough to kill a guy who's lightsaber skill was "second to none" in the Jedi Order and another Jedi Master that has been on par with TPM Mace Windu in terms of overall duelling ability. That aside from almost killing Darth Sidious, who only barely managed to survive the fury of his own apprentice – in a situation where Maul lacked food and sleep for an month and was already badly injured.
The Ultimate Visual Guide says that Maul is 'one of the deadliest Sith apprentices in history'
He got right back with no signs of any damage from a force witche's force lightning and proceeded to kill her after he took most of the Black Sun's leaders.
The resurrected Maul severely damaged Darth Vader and very nearly killed him as well as winning a very large portion of the duel.
He out dueled Obiwan and Quigon with an injured knee.
and here at 2 mentions of Darth Maul in the DSSB
The Dark Side Sourcebook:
"Darth Maul was taken offworld and indoctrinated into the ways of the dark side, trained by Darth Sidious in not only Sith lore, but in the Jedi arts. Any display of fear on his part was punished with vicious retribution. Any hint of mercy in his character was rewarded with severe cruelty. One those rare occasions when he relaxed his guard, his master nearly killed him to remind him that a Sith can never afford a moment of rest. After years of this kind of treatment, Darth Maul was absolutely ruthless-a perfect Sith weapon. By the
time he reached adolescence, Darth Maul was already a hardened, remorseless killer."
"Maul's final test as a Sith apprentice occurred on an isolated Outer Rim World. Abandoned there by Darth Sidious, he was told that he had to survive on his own until Sidious returned a month later, all
the while being hunted by hordes of deadly assassin droids. Maul fought as best as he could, but exhaustion and hunger finally took their toll, and one of the tireless droids finally wounded him badly enough that he felt he could not go on. At that point, Darth Sidious returned and challenged his apprentice to a lightsaber duel, telling Maul that he had secretly been training a second apprentice in case Maul failed his final test-which, by failing to kill Sidious in the duel, he just had. Anger and hatred welled up in Maul, and he drew renewed strength from the dark side. Hurling himself at Darth Sidious, he nearly bested his master with a flurry of deadly lightsaber blows. Sidious barely deflected them all."
So do spit out more BS that Maul goes down easily since that is all you seem capable of other than repeating defeated points.
Last edited by Elite Hunter on May 2nd, 2008 at 01:17 AM
this isnt xyz because grevous never dueled maul, its just a logical answer.
1) who gives a crap about maul defeating boondara, that has nothing to do with MASTER kenobi who wasnt around back then.
2) the visual guide says he is the deadliest sith APPRENTICE, does that mean he can give MASTER kenobi a hard time? no
anakin was the deadliest JEDI apprentice and he cant beat rots kenobi.
3) so what maul could take on 2 jedi at once, kenobi beat grevous easily and grevous beat like 4 or 5 jedi at once during Cw
4) kenobi's reflexes are too good for him to have trouble with maul.he made short work of mr 20 strokes per second grevous. does maul move nearly as fast? no
so he wont be a challenge at all for kenobi.
pitting rots kenobi against maul is like pitting rots mace against cw asajj, you just know its gonna be over soon
Apr 30th, 2008 02:13 AM
